There is nothing that politicians can do in the face of weaponised misinformation.
People say they want immigration brought under control. They want illegal immigrants (for want of a more accurate phrase) deported faster. Labour are doing all this. They are doing it better than the Tories ever did, and Reform ever would.
It isn’t enough, not when people are spending their lives on social media and having negative stories about immigrants, many of which are completely untrue, pumped directly into their brains.
It is a remarkable testimony to just how good a return on investment Russian intelligence services have obtained from their efforts in the social media space. A long-serving Labour defence minister has just resigned to underscore his (and his Ministry’s) views that the current level and planned growth of spending is inadequate to secure the country versus Russian threat - and the story is struggling for oxygen compared to the fallout from a definitely horrific violent incident almost certainly involving mental illness.
Labour aren´t though. Immigration is still very high (you will cite net immigration falling even though a lot of it is due to more Brits leaving and inflows are still high), and it does nothing to reverse the decades of mass immigration the British people already didn´t want. It´s all good stopping immigration (Labour aren´t) but many people want it reversed.
You want to talk about misinformation, Labour pushing this net migration figure (which they will no doubt revise upwards) is classic deception.
Arguments about immigration are bullshit, and the article does a very good job of pulling them apart.
The article gets this particular point spot on. Some of us can see where this is heading, because it’s isn’t just about immigration. The language coming out of people like Farage has shifted to encompass not just immigrants but the families and decendents of historic immigrants. A subtle suggestion that it isn’t just a newly arrived person who is the problem. It’s people who arrived decades ago. It’s their bloodline. There is something wrong in their genetics.
And it won’t stop there. It won’t stop with Muslims and Sikhs. Eventually they’ll come for black people. It won’t just be trans people. They’ll get round to the gays before too long.
Isn’t the big spike in immigration just after Brexit interesting. Almost as if tearing up our returns agreement with the European Union has left us with no power to stop people bypassing the EU entirely and crossing the channel on small boats.
But it can’t be that, because we were assured that Brexit was about ‘getting control of are borders’
It´s interesting but a surface level statistical analysis, so kind of hypocritical.
For example, knife admissions to hospital falling (rising amongst young people specifically) sounds good but then it relies on them having the time (as they get more and more stretched) to accurately record and there are a host of other issues like more people now not being admitted and instead treated in A and E or ambulance (not counted in the figure of knife admissions) due to limited bed space and resources, and various other coding challenges.
Right, see this is the fucking frustrating thing about having the discussion with people like you.
Ultimately there is evidence, from the ON fucking S no less, that knife crime is at an historic low.
But that can’t be right because it doesn’t match your ‘feels’ so let’s invent a fantasy where actually the reason why knife crime is at an all time low is because the NHS are not recording incidents properly.
Yeah, that’s probably it. Hospitals are overrun with stabbings but the staff just haven’t got the time or inclination to make a fucking note of the thing someone has been admitted for.
Oh, and to stick a cherry on top of this absolutely batshittery, let’s vote for Refutm who what to aggressively cut bureaucracy from the NHS, like that isn’t a contradiction.
Well that will record injury from sharp objects. I’m pretty sure that NHS England uses ICD-11. (I worked on ECS for NHS Scotland, so I don’t know for certain)
The classification is needed for deliberate, accidental or self-inflicted because that will affect the triage path.
Yeah its frustrating for me too - people like you who don´t really understand statistics and all the complications of gathering them, what they actually show, data quality etc etc on a mass scale.
I have to listen to people like you give your opinions so confidently everywhere. Very tiresome.
Then you did what people like you always do and straw man and extrapolate what you want me to think. I aren´t voting for Reform.
OK. You have alleged that Office of National Statistic figures on admissions to hospital due to injury with a sharp object are incorrect because the staff are not recording admissions properly.