I could never bring myself to vote for them, the thought of that odious cunt Farage in number 10 sends shivers down my spine.
Can’t even contemplate voting Labour or Conservative either though, both have proved to be equally fucking awful with various sized sprinklings of dodginess.
I’ll just have to leave my fate in the hands of the masses, which sends another shiver down my spine
Vote SNP, then vote for Independence!
then your fate is in your hands…
That’s not happening.
I’d rather have Farage
Reform have somewhat of a dilemma. The above is certainly their traditional core but much of the recent growth in support and that in the seats they are looking to win are dependent on welfare or at least is expecting to see a greater share of it.
Yes, because you know, fuck history and reason.
I did that for the Brexit vote. Like a choice between a shit sandwich and a bowl of dog vomit.
I think our fate is already sealed tbh.
If you’re talking recent history, the last 50 years for example, then fuck history and reason is absolutely correct.
Was just curious as to what the argument was for Voting for Trump in 2025?
A genuine question and not a dig but what would you suggest. If Reform represent a continuation of the same neoliberal economic dogma that has got us in this mess then surely we have to hold both the Tories and Labour to account in some measure. So are we ruling out the 3?
Is this an opinion or a fact? I ask this because a large proportion of Reforms growth has been at the expense of traditional Labour voting communities.
So whilst I agree it is a dilemma for Reform, it is actually a dilemma for all Parties. And given the growth for Reform, it may not be the crucial factor in their voting.
I’m not making a suggestion. I’m just reacting to the notion that Reform represent ‘change’.
If only UK could have found themselves in the EU, and thus not need to worry about those outside missing out on opportunities.
my bad, I misread your post.
As always there are more than one way of looking at things.
Is it not a concern that the EU (or Germany) have looked to introduce this Rule because Germany and other EU Countries to a lesser extent are becoming less competitive internationally compared to China?
Is it not an attempt to encourage (force) the EU members to buy European products by pricing out non-EU countries.
They also propose excluding Tendors from Non-EU companies. A cap on ownership by non-EU and restrictions on foreign investment.
Could be seen as hypocrisy given that it has forced Members to give up their own similar independent rights..
One of the key components of this rule is to focus on reducing Carbon emissions. Whilst China accounts for a 7-10% of the Worlds global emissions. It also produces 80% of the world’s Solar Panels/EV batteries and is investing heavily into becoming carbon free.
It is one of those ideas that sounds good on paper, ticks a lot of boxes’s but is missing critical information such as how this is going to be implemented and How is the Made in Europe determined?
The IAA won’t formalise this until 2027, the EU Countries then have to make it make it work.
Is there the infrastructure/technology/investment in place to make this buy European beneficial in the short term/medium/long term?? Probably not.
I would be more inclined to worry about our own problems. Only today Ineos announced it will be moth balling production, why worry about export tariffs if we have nothing to export.
This!
Exactly.
Protectionism just doesn’t/can’t work if you no longer produce what you need.
Also we’ve seen buy British etc campaigns for decades now. They have been pretty ineffective in the long term. Just look at lamb, people buy what comes from New Zealand for crying out loud 
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The buy ‘Insert Country/trading zone’ is idyllic, in an ideal world you are supporting your local businesses, etc. Not buying the stereotyped cheap foreign stuff. But in present times it is where the demand is.
The UK, cannot through its current infrastructure, energy/labour costs compete with Countries like China which heavily subsidies its companies and have cheaper production costs. It is just not viable and this is something European Countries, especially Germany needs to understand.
The UK and France have transitioned towards a more service/luxury goods based economy and whilst at present it looks a bit gloomy, I believe we are better placed than Germany. I am no economist but the longer the US/Iran conflict goes on, the more Germany are going to suffer.
To be fair to New Zealand, their Lamb is good .
Using the NZ/Lamb as an example, people in today’s climate, whilst predominantly willing to purchase British products, just don’t have the money to justify paying that premium.
Why buy a Land Rover for 80k plus when you could buy a Jaego for half the price.
General rule of thumb is that you get what you pay for.
Well currently I don’t think Land Rover are on board with this. Massive engine issues
Here I’m can not agree. Doom and gloom has been shouted out loud, particularly in the UK press and by the government spokesmen, however it has always ‘recovered’. Yes on superficial political terms it looks like this. Their big industry lobbies are very loud and the politicians bend to them a lot from what I see (profit from it?). However the real force of Germany is a mass of small companies making niche products that other, particularly European, countries can not do without.
All countries are ‘shackled’ by these powerful lobbies from industry, the UK financial sector, France large land owners (Prince of Monaco), Germany car industry.
At least they still produce steal though Poland probably produces more.
Sure none of us have a crystal ball and everything changes at a greater pace as time passes. Predictions at this moment seem pie in the sky.
Generally on older models