I mean seriously, Trump says so much incredible, insanely dumb bullshit in one day, doesn’t matter who he’s talking to, any one of those insane ramblings would finish off Harris immediately.
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A lot of people feel like you do, so it’s difficult for people to look rationally at anything he does or says. Not impossible if you are willing to put in some effort.
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I do listen to what he says. That’s how I have come to the conclusion that he’s a complete and utter bellend.
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You mean engaging in mental gymnastics to convince themselves that he is harmless and well-meaning despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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Not sure his supporters all think he’s harmless and well-meaning. Just not harmful and ill-intentioned to their little tribe.
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I would expect someone who has participated in this thread as much as you have, and who is participating in good faith with a genuine interest in understanding the answer to that question, to already know the answer on the basis of said heavy participation in the discussion.
Is this an extension of your confident and and bold rejection of Sweeting’s claim that JFK was anti vax, claiming those claims were just a partisan hit job from lefties, and when he came back with the receipts justifying his characterization of the man you said you were too busy to read about the details of what JFK stood for?
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I am increasingly wondering if we’re all just subjects of some incredibly elaborate trolling here…
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Person who denies supporting Trump, but just wants to give another perspective: Harris is a terrible candidate and clearly will lose and we know that because her people are too scared to have her td public appearances
Same person responding to harris’s jam packed schedule: Lol, she is clearly a bad candidate and we know this because otherwise they wouldnt be desperate enough to be doing all these appearances.
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When the deportations squads start making house calls and people realize that people they know have been disappeared…
1/3 - we want more
1/3 - oh I didnt mean people like Maria, I just mean the illegals…you know what I mean, the “illegals”
1/3 - I am horrified at what the guy I voted for is doing. Despite him telling us very clearly this is what he was going to do, how could we have known this is what we were voting for?
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Poor @Maria, what did she ever do to deserve this!
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They need to be hammering the deportation message. I read somewhere that this could affect literally millions of families who have mothers , fathers , wives , husbands who have lived in the US for decades but would be at risk.
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“This election has revealed to me that I have relatives who probably would have betrayed Anne Frank.”
I read this yesterday and it’s really bothering me a lot, I think most people don’t really understand what’s happening yet.
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Estimates that the number of people who meet the criteria of who they have said they want to get rid of would be in excess of 20m. More once you add in the Americans and others with legal status who would be get caught up in with no recourse, has Trump has openly claimed we have to accept as an unintended consequence of the program.
The thing to understand though is there is a segment of the latino population here who are as virulently anti immigrant as anyone in MAGA. See the leader of the Proud Boys in 2020 being a Afro Cuban guy. It’s a great reminder that in these conversations Whiteness is not really about skin colour but is an aspiration thing about status, and is something people with connections to latin american have generations more experience than anyone else navigating the complexity of that.
EDIT: This is a fantastic conversation about the complexities of racial identity and concepts of whiteness among latin americans. The reporter speaks about a black hispanic guy she had profiled who always felt out of place but found his place as an adult after getting a job with the border patrol. He became one of the white guys kicking out the non-white people for coming here “the wrong way.” Several years into his stint with CBP he found out he was brought here illegally by his mum and had no paperwork.
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It is F—ing exhausting trying to keep up with the latest news eh :0)
Elon Musk — who rails against ‘illegals in America’ — revealed to be an illegal immigrant
Story by Carl Gibson
Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk — the world’s wealthiest man — has come out harshly against undocumented immigrants since becoming one of former President Donald Trump’s biggest donors and campaign surrogates. But a new report reveals that he launched his career in the United States without legal status.
The Washington Post is now reporting that Musk was illegally staying in the U.S. on a student visa despite dropping out of school. While Musk, who is from South Africa, emigrated to attend Stanford University, he called his department chair shortly after the fall 1995 semester began to inform him that he wouldn’t be attending classes.
At that point, Musk was legally obligated to leave the United States, according to the Post. But instead, he illegally overstayed his visa while building his first company, Zip2 (originally called the Global Link Information Network).
Eventually, venture capital firm Mohr Davidow Ventures made a $3 million investment into Zip2 in 1996. Upon learning that both Musk and his brother, Kimbal, didn’t have legal status to be in the United States, the funding agreement included a clause that stipulated Mohr could claw back its investment if the two didn’t obtain a legal work visa within 45 days.
“Their immigration status was not what it should be for them to be legally employed running a company in the U.S.,” Zip2 board member Derek Proudian told the paper. “We don’t want our founder being deported.”
Because U.S. immigration records aren’t public, determining when Musk’s immigration status changed is difficult to ascertain. However, the Post cited two different biographers who wrote that Mohr ultimately arranged for an attorney to line up visas for both Elon and Kimbal Musk in 1996. This means both he and his brother were technically illegal immigrants for the better part of a year. This is particularly noteworthy, as Elon Musk has used his social media platform X (formerly Twitter) to regularly launch attacks against and spread disinformation about undocumented immigrants.
“[I]llegals in America can get bank loans, mortgages, insurance, driver’s licenses, free healthcare (California & New York) and in-state college tuition,” Musk tweeted in February. “What’s the point of being a citizen if an illegal gets all the benefits, but doesn’t pay taxes or do jury duty?”
The Post’s reported that Musk’s colleagues confirmed that he drove a car during the period in which he was in the United States illegally, meaning he would have needed both a driver’s license and auto insurance in order to do so. The report also confirms what Kimbal Musk said in a 2013 interview, when saying that he and his brother “were illegal immigrants” when their company landed the $3 million investment from Mohr. Elon didn’t use that exact phrasing, but rather said that their status “was a grey area.”
Despite making a promise in March to refrain from endorsing a presidential candidate, Elon Musk has not only appeared onstage with Trump, but is now his second-biggest campaign donor. Forbes reported earlier this week that Musk has donated roughly $118 million to a pro-Trump super PAC. His largesse is outpaced only by Timothy Mellon, who had given $150 million to the former president’s 2024 bid for the White House.
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You dont get it do you?
Trump, Musk, Putin, and throw in others if you like, all the same power hungry, money hungry billionaire morons coming together to claim the largest economies on the planet. They will literally burn the world to stay that way and there’s no coming back from it.
Is Project 2025 international?
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https://x.com/atrupar/status/1850291902358118862
edit… full speech
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1850296855726305387
probably one for the history books
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I think what this misses is the nature of the respective audiences. Modern campaigns are extremely disciplined about which audiences they make an investment in reaching. Conservatives generally don’t bother going to union-sponsored debates any more, because in most cases there are no available votes there. For the Democrats, that may well be the case for Rogan. Despite his ‘just asking a question’ posture, he has a very clear ideological cast to him, and I suspect his audience doesn’t have many reachable potential Democratic votes. Long-term, that may have to change because he is undoubtedly popular, but it not an activity that makes much sense three weeks before election day. The Harris campaign really only began a few weeks before what is generally thought of as the closing stage of the campaign, after Labor Day.
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There were a lot of people in Dem strategy circles very excited about the rumours she was going to do it as part of her Texas swing this week. I think if they could have made it work they would have, and Id be interested to hear when its all over how much substance there were to the rumours and what if anything blocked it.
For all Joe’s dipshitery, he does typically let his discussions be dominated by the other person and that can make it a conduit for it being a valuable platform for a politician who has something worthwhile to say (see Bernie’s appearances). The question with this appearance for Trump was never about the reach, but whether Rogan would unwittingly give him enough rope to hang himself with. I think the answer to that is a rorschach test for what you think of Trump, but I certainly know people who listen to Rogan, are politically disengaged who might well walk away from that convinced the guy was a moron.
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