@Nobluff
āCalling people animals is generally not acceptable. Calling drug dealers, human traffickers, murderers, rapists, etc animals, I really donāt have an issue with this. This is how I interpret āanimalsā. I donāt think he is referring to every illegal immigrant. Just like I donāt think Biden thinks all Republicans are garbage, just like I donāt really believe that Harris/Clinton/etc think Trump is the next Hitler or a Fascist.ā
Iām sure they do think heās a fascist because he speaks like one. He uses classic fascist language to talk about people he disagrees with. Vermin, animals, the enemy within, threats of violence and retribution. Either he means what he says, in which case he is a fascist, or heās joking, which would be bizarre, even by his standards, in the final stages of an election campaign.
āI think it is something said in order to change the mind of gullible voters, imo this does not work in this case. I am not saying that I think there are a lot of gullible voters, I just think that there are people that hate Trump so much that they comfortable labelling him as such. I think people here donāt really, deep down, think he is the next Hitler. Itās a title that diminishes what happened to millions of Jews, Gypsies (what they were called then), mentally and physically disabled people, POWās, and the countless lives of combatants and innocent civilians that were lost during the war, on both sides.ā
The Hitler comparison is a sidetrack. Not all fascists are Hitler, not all communists are Stalin.
āI donāt excuse when politicians use this language however I also understand that it is also purposefully interpreted to suit ones political ideologies. Republicans do it, Democrats do it, and they do it to win an election. In one part of the country they will say A in order to get the vote, while in other parts of the country they will say B in order to get the votes, on the same question. I have always believed this.ā
This is an extreme cop out. One side has been using violent and disgusting language since 2015, the other side gets pulled up for a single use of the word āgarbageā. There is no comparison and this ātheyāre all the sameā narrative has no basis in fact.
"My position in this election is trust. I donāt trust Harris or Biden, I donāt trust Trump, however I trust him significantly more than the aforementioned. I have from the very start believed that the election will be won on the economy/inflation and the border/immigration. I believe that Trump is the best for this even with all his flaws, and so do the majority of voters in the USA as per the polls (I cant vote). "
Biden has steered the US economy out of the Covid/Ukraine crisis into being the strongest itās been for fifty years. What on earth more could he do to earn your trust?
Trump left the US economy in a terrible state, as is common with Republican presidents. All he did was cut taxes for the hyper rich. His policies on the economy and immigration would be hugely damaging for ordinary Americans.
āHarris has an edge on the abortion which is anywhere from 3rd to 5th on the list of issues.ā
You obviously donāt know any women.
āYes, I do believe in the polls, I just donāt think the national polls with regards to popular vote are that interesting. I do like the polls for battleground states. I do like the polls on issues. I donāt think all the pollsters are good enough as there are some with Rep bias and some with Dem bias. I think overall the bias is against Rep and especially Trump as the democratic party, imo, has become the party of intolerance when it comes to Trump and his supporters. I do think the pollsters will once again underestimate Trump in the polls, on average.ā
Based on what? There have been more Rep leaning polls in recent weeks trying to create the idea that Trump is ahead so he can justify his rejection of any unfavourable result.
āI think Trump will now win the popular vote (didnāt before). I think he will get all of the voters he got last election, plus a few million more, maybe even more than Biden got. I think he will sweep the battlegrounds (maybe missing 1). I donāt think it is possible for him to win the popular AND lose the election. I do think there will be election fraud, I always believe there is, I have just never thought there is enough election fraud in the USA to change the result of an election.ā
We donāt know what will happen. No one does, and Iām very sceptical of anyone making predictions at this stage. Itās just too close to call.
Only one side has attempted election interference so far and itās not the Democrats.
āIf Trump loses I expect he will fight it unsuccessfully in court, I donāt think he will organize a march on the capital to overthrow the government. If he, in an alternate reality does try, he will need more than 5 thousand supporters with banners, pitch forks, utility knives and a handgun.ā
How on earth can you make this assertion? He did it before and thereās absolutely no evidence that he regrets it. The opposite in fact. Everything heās saying and doing points to a repeat of that attack on democracy.
āAs mentioned, I cant vote, however if I could I would 100% vote for Trump. It, country to popular opinion, doesnāt make me racist, homophobic, transphobic, sexist, fascist, a Hitler lover, a Trump lover, unintelligent, garbage, etc.ā
It doesnāt make you any of those things, but it does make you misguided. There are myriad ways that Trumpās personality makes him a bad candidate. He is clearly a hate filled, mendacious narcissist at the very least. I donāt know how thatās not plain from observing him in these three election campaigns.
Even if you ignore that and concentrate on his policies, his economic plan is widely regarded by top economists as a disaster, his foreign policy is to give a free hand to tyrants and dictators, his immigration policy is to round up and deport millions of people without any thought to the consequences and so on. None of his policies will have a positive impact on ordinary Americans.
āI hope for the sake of the Democratic party they lose so badly that they reevaluate what they stand for, as they have truly lost their way over the past 10 years. I stand with Musk and Maher on this and agree that the party has lost their identity as they have moved too far to the left in certain instances hence watering down the moderates that made the democratic party that I remember.ā
This is an extraordinary claim. The Republican party is in the hands of fascists like Roger Stone and the Proud Boys and you think the Dems are too radical?
Harrris and Walz are moderates, thereās nothing extreme about their policies. The most extreme Democrats are nowhere near as rabid as the Greene/Boebert/Gaetz types.
āI also can honestly not keep up with answering every single reply or mention in this thread, I truly am busy and prefer to spend my time in more LFC related threads. I am 1 person in a thread full of people that are very contrary to my opinions. I give you the benefit of that doubt that you understand this.ā
I get that and I appreciate your reply. Most of us donāt get to interact with Trump supporters and I just want to understand what makes anyone with an ounce of common sense think that he would be the better choice. Iām still in the dark, to be honest, but Iāll continue to try to understand, because we really need to be listening to each other. There is too little of that right now and it puts the whole system in peril.
