What I can’t for the life of me figure out is what people actually see in Trump that does motivate them to vote for him.
And I can’t figure out how they don’t see a sleazy charlatan con-artist. How they don’t see through his lies and fakeness. How it doesn’t offend them that he has billions of dollars while most of his supporters have next to nothing.
I said it after the Brexit vote and I guess it still holds true - I don’t understand the people I live around.
I was elaborating on the conclusion, just didn’t make it clear enough, explaining that the rush to conclusions I was highlighting in the first post is exactly part of the problem that contributes to the Trump campaign winning.
I had hoped that a large proportion of the US voting population were kind of centrist in their views.
Am I wrong or is this the US’s version of our Brexit vote?
I would say that was 2016. This is probably doubling down by voting for Johnson in 2019, a general disillusionment with the alternative.
But that’s just a feeling not a properly thought-out argument.
Ummm no. That’s what I think. Unless I’m misunderstanding something.
I think part of Harris’ fundamental problem was that she faithfully stuck to the ‘lefty culture war’ issues that Republicans use define Democrats, while not sending strong enough signals of an economic agenda that might bring some of appeal. The number of ads attacking the Democrats for allowing trans competition in girls’ sports in the PA and MI markets was absolutely astonishing, and where she lost truckloads of Biden votes was in the suburbs of the big cities, particularly in the Midwest. Abortion aside, the Democrats seem to have lost the soccer moms.
Right, for some reason I thought you were arguing that the problem is that the Harris campaign just wasn’t exciting enough.
My bad.
Apparently they’re simultaneously majority centrist, majority left leaning, majority conservative and majority neo-fascist. 
As a generally confused individual i can sympathise with that.
I guess at the end of the day, that’s the root cause. 15 mil people less voted for her than for Biden, even though the Biden #s are a vote against Trump having just lived through his presidency. I think we’re saying same thing. If Harris campaign was better, she’d have gotten more of the missing 15 mil votes or been able to connect with people to get them out.
Thanks dude, I appreciate the reply.
They have an administration that has spent 4 years spending political capital on doing things for the base only to spat at in the face by it. This was by some degree the most lefty populist administrations in generations, had to fight tooth and nail against an obstructionist court and a belligerent congress, and they got nothing from they efforts/wins but political pain. And I am not just talking about the election result, but the entire response to the administration’s efforts. What many Democratic politicians will reasonably take from this election is that spending political capital on the left is not good politics, and the left of your party are not good partners because to them it is never enough/done in the right way/done quickly enough. Or in lots of cases with this administration, they just reject outright that it happened.
Complaints about what Kamala did or did not do miss what has happened in this country. Any issue people might take about her campaign are things that happened on the margins. And while tight races are won and lost there, Trump’s campaign was an unmitigated disaster from start to finish and didn’t matter in the face of populist swing covered by a press who refused to grapple with the reality of what was happening and insistent on holding them to completely different standards. You get a sense of how broken and dissociated the reaction in this country is to our perceived problems when you look at the Ohio Senate race. In a populist swing you would think someone like Sherrod Brown who has lived that for decades would be in a good position. Way before any of this stuff was trendy he was warning about problems with NAFTA and the need for more protectionist approach to help the working class people in his industrial region and genuinely fighting for the people MAGA claim their populist agenda is aimed at. Yet without the racism and anti trans stuff he lost to a used car salesman who stole money from his own employees…because populism? When a country is reacting like that to information about the stakes of the election and what the candidates stand for, it makes it damn near impossible for Dems to win elections.
Bro stop it with this. It is a really really dumb focus on something that is utterly unimportant.
WTF are we talking about. Did you see the campaign that won?
Particularly in this election, where it nothing to do with selecting the candidate
It would be interesting to see how much of this was because of different voting patterns, and the effects of lockdowns. If I remember correctly it was a time when people still had relatively more time on their hands because of pandemic measures?
Still, losing 19% of the turnout from the previous election is massive.
I’m not sure if that’s the case, or if it’s simply the case that far too many voters are simple-minded enough that the question boils down to: am I feeling better than the previous election? If not, then vote against the incumbent/don’t bother if I haven’t felt any better and there’s been a change in government in that time.
It’s like people handing the Republicans victory in 2016 after the damage done by the government shutdowns before then.
It’s exact the problem I was highlighting, where people are just slapping on whatever preconceived perceptions they already had onto the results, as opposed to have any factual basis to any of it.
This is not a legislative agenda. If they lose control of the house in this election or the next it wont make much of a difference to their primary aims.
This. People focusing on “why didn’t I hear her talking about her positive agenda” are close to getting the problems Dems have winning elections. She was out there speaking about it EVERYDAY.
I note that it doesn’t actually include anything on Trump.
It is deadset fucking crazy that as soon as one old bastard dropped out being an old bastard didn’t matter anymore.
A quick query, what are the key US states a presidential candidate has to win to ensure they win the election, thanks?
Depends on the election in question.