Next thing you’ll see is that the Democrats made them like the Nazis.
Prussia was an old Germanic state… oops sorry just caught what you meant 
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Another problem I am worried about long-term is how we every get the narrative back against all the disinformation out there. My wife is showing me loads of her facebook friends who are delighted at getting “medical freedom” back. Of course by this they are talking about having an anti-vax President.
This is a public health issue at this point and the main problem is the self-declared experts on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter etc. People are getting their health information from other people who are, at best, googling complex medical conditions and then spreading their “research” all over the internet.
How do we ever get back to a place where we trust the experts, not the influencers?
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This is what really gets me sometimes, because the influencers could very well become experts on the very topics that they talk about. Joe Rogan could well research everything before interviewing guests, but given what is said about him, that doesn’t seem the case. I know there are some who go the opposite route, experts who become influencers simply because they don’t see a viable alternative, which I suppose is probably the best route to achieve that change.
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Yeah, this is what I have been trying to say across all my posts this morning. To me this is not just another problem. It is THE problem and is the defining factor in this election.
The information space has become so incredibly segregated and for all the problems people can point to with the mainstream press over the years, this has meant the majority of information the majority of people are encountering is so much further from being grounded in reality and informed analysis than we’ve experienced since the invention of the printing press. The response from the old guard main stream press has been mostly abject and in many ways has made it worse.
Had Harris won there would have still be an incredible problem to solve with this issue. But now trump has won the changes to the way government operates and how it engages with us will change to make that so much worse, and the press has already shown that if the choice is to oppose or join the oligarchy, they will hop on board.
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Those who own the press are increasingly part of the oligarchy. That’s another seemingly insurmountable problem.
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I’ve seen this guy before and don’t agree with everything he says (I think he supports Jill Stein, which is an insane position) but this is a fairly succinct emotional response that kind of sums up how I feel about Harris’ campaign…
While I’m not saying for sure that campaigning differently would have been successful, I think there was a complete failure from the Harris team to understand how to win this election.
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Even during the results shows last night, Trump is running away with it and it cuts back to the studio where they are all acting like its business as usual just a normal election everyone laughing and telling jokes. Very light-hearted.
I think for many of those in the media Trump, and his impact, is an abstract concept that they get to commentate on and view from afar because the worst aspects of his ideas never touch their lives.
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I think it really is underestimated how much of this is the case. Murdoch is only the tip of the iceberg.
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Look how broad the support has been for what Trump/Maga is offering. It has gone far beyond the presidential election. I think it is big under appreciation of the headwinds that have been present the last few years to put this outcome on strategy and tactics of the presidential campaign. And even if you buy this guy’s arguments, which I dont (I actually think that guy’s video is as good an example of this new media problem as his arguments are all over the place), he seems to position the original sin as being Harris’ nomination meaning according to him Trump won as soon as she was nominated as the candidate.
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Murdoch is an ideologue. Or at least Ailes was and Murdoch was fine letting him run the ship. What is remarkable about this turn in this election election cycle is the ideology that is being followed is just money…just the decision that the best decision was faced with a tyrant is to go along with it.
I saw Cadwaller liken where we are today as 90s Russia, which seems accurate but also ironic given Putin’s role in helping this along while being the person who broke the back of that system in Russia.
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Did he break it or make himself the core of it?
Hasn’t the core ideology always been accumulating more money for himself? The oligarchs have always seen Trump as malleable to their manipulation, it’s nothing new.
It is no less corrupt now, but under him he focused more of the benefits of that on himself. Bezos et all got on board the Kleptocracy train hoping to sit at Yeltsin’s table and instead find themselves in this position
The support on the right has always been two pronged. 1) The regular business motive of joining forces with whomever will best stack the deck for you, and 2) Those who are true believers of the movement. Fox was somewhat unique in how much it was driven by the latter.
I agree there is a lot of looking coever after the fact in the video but I agree with the criticism of the campaign. As I’ve said before the perception, whether that’s what she wanted to portray or not, was that she was aiming to win over “middle ground” which was disenchanted Republican voters. If she wanted to deliver a message of progressive politics, or discuss policy, or do really much of anything then she failed on every count. She failed to win back “the middle”, she failed to establish her beliefs, she failed to distance herself from Biden, she failed to be clear on her response in the Middle-East, she failed to inspire people… it might not be ALL her fault in that how the media covers elections, how social media effects perceptions etc etc is very important but it was her job to navigate these issues and she’s clearly failed miserably.
Trump gets away with negative campaigning, he’s unique in that way. He can run on nothing, he can run on a medical plan that still doesn’t exist 6 years after he promised it would be delivered, he can run on being against men playing women’s sports that doesn’t happen in the real world - his voters don’t care. He can run on hate and fear. We’ve seen in this very thread that they will hear and believe whatever they want to hear and believe regardless of whether it is actually said or not.
He split America in half and I think Harris, and this has been my reading for a while now, played for a center vote, or more realistically center-right vote, that no longer exists. There isn’t a right-wing, left-wing and “everyone else” anymore.
I’d rather go down swinging. Talk about Medicare For All, free childcare, mantadory minimum paid maternity leave, gun ownership background checks and mandatory wait times, green energy etc. Give people the idea that you have a different direction in mind for the country.
Instead we go down talking about endorsements from war criminal Dick Cheney. That might not be fair, it might not be how Harris meant to run her campaign, but that’s all I see of it. She promised more of the same and people stayed home.
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I’m not talking about Fox, I’m talking about Murdoch’s entire empire.
You remind me of
“Populists shout loudly of so called simple solutions to complex problems. They invariably fail”
No doubt we will be watching Trump’s so called “solutions”. Will others be watching as closely though? Unlikely I suspect.
I think that’s also because it’s what sticks out the most.
I’m not sure how many of her policies could be said to not be decent at the very least, they just received so little coverage precisely because they probably have a wide consensus and they’re BORING.
I’m not sure if this is anything more than a minor effect. I don’t think it would have brought her closer to victory, precisely because of the refusal to cover her very real policies while pretending that “I have a concept of a plan” is a solid policy.
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Honestly, it shouldn’t have mattered. When the alternative is exponentially worse and even dangerous, you don’t stay home and shrug your shoulders. Every Democrat voter who decided to abstain is complicit.
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Democrats have a tough coalition to keep together because its a broad coalition with varied priorities and people within the coalition tend more interest in what they dont like about what their candidate is perceived to be doing than the reasons there are to get behind them.
She lost and so I think it is inarguable that she failed on all of these objectives. My question is now in the light of day, seeing how total a victory it looks like being and how much of his popularity he retained, what out of all of this was changeable? Do any of these alternative strategies or a different theory of the case that focused exclusively on lefty populism (and with respect to that it HAS to be acknowledged how little political favour Biden got from this base despite delivering for them over and over again) actually change anything how this went down? In the light of day I dont think it does.
I think if people acknowledge how broken the current information system is, then it seems pretty clear that the path that needs to be taken to do better in elections is far less about what your message is and far more on how you put it out into the world so people hear it and how it punctures the bubbles of people whose vote for Trump was based on a fictional reality. The wrong theory of the case was about how to message, not what. IMO
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Lets face it she was fucked from day 1. She took over from an old tired prick who was sick. Who was setup for one term, yet tried to run again and went back on his word. The power behind the throne’s fault. Pelosi and others take blame. No succession planning done, no grooming or positioning done. No early campaigning done to showcase what has been achieved. No election of a replacement. All this hurt Harris’ campaign before it even started.
Then you have Trump who just outright lies, has provided no policies, provided no plan. Can’t even answer a simple question on economics, or religion. Everyone on this forum has done more to educate themselves than most of the US population. We’ve got guys from Aus asking questions learning what the fuck is going on. Those from Britain trying to understand the blue wall and the permutations to get Harris to win this thing.
Trump wants to undo democracy in this country. He also wants to stop wars by pulling out of funding them. He wants to deport all the illegals and legals (why not) and throw in a few US citizens that get caught in the crossfire. Yet he’s just established Brexit 2.0 over here. You lose all your menial workers so crops rot in the fields because no one will pick them. Then he loses the tax base of those 20 million, its quite a substantial base, whilst they maybe illegal a lot pay tax. They also buy stuff, so that goes into the economy. Then there’s the cost to do this. Plus Musk is going to do to the government what he did to Twitter and sack everyone. Slowing everything down.
Then we have tariffs. We’ll add 20-40% onto the prices. Trump thinks he’ll get that as a tax. Nope. Its what the product costs the consumer + the tariff and what killed the famers when China reciprocated last time. You equalize the cost of the US product by adding the tariff and that massively inflates the price of something.
He’s going to click his fingers and end all wars. And he’s got his fat little finger on the nuclear button - that’s okay though, he’s now besties with Putin, so doesn’t matter. Except there’s a very hostile China and other superpowers watching this play out like North Korea.
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