US Election 2024

The Mexican President Trump to pretty much go fuck himself :rofl::rofl:

I fucking hate this person so fucking much. For years I have wanted to recreate his face into a Picasso painting. Absolute horrible human being and propagandist who preys on ā€œalternativeā€ people who lack knowledge and critical filter.
https://x.com/PostLeftWatch/status/1854399475655004269

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I can understand those people who didnā€™t vote, as none of the parties appealed to the millions who didnā€™t turn up to vote. Harris lost 20 million compared to her campaign in 2020.

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Tariffs in themselves arent the devils spawn, they are a pretty useful tool

as for the % the Don puts on them, thats just straight out of Donald Trump negotiating 101 handbookā€¦

everytime he starts with that bravado i get this 80s silver suit business montage scene going on in the back of my mindā€¦

hes starting high, as if it was a realestate transactionā€¦ i dont think he does diplomacy.

the Tariff stuff will be interesting to watch unfoldā€¦some of the other stuff, notable his foreign policy stance, is very concerning to the rest of the worldā€¦

as for the border stuffā€¦wowā€¦thats pantomime levelā€¦

I have 0 understanding other than pure and extremely harsh condemnation. They have sowns and reaped and now own this just as much as the vilest of the MAGA neo fascists. If they didnā€™t have a technical reason to not vote (as in sick or were unable to vote for other reasons), this is on them and they should be reminded of it for the rest of their lives.

This isnā€™t 2016, it is 2024 and no one who is not a complete imbecile, could have failed to understand who Trump is.

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This point is one that makes me really wonder about what some people have upstairs, who the fuck do they think pays for everything in the end, increases profits taxes and tariffs.Newsflash to many, it seems, we do, the poor bloody consumers that pay for everything.
Are they not aware that the tariffs goes onto the price, the retailer ups his markup ,so for example a 60% tariff hike will mean more that a 60 % increase in price.The naive shit from Trump that it would keep manufacturing in the US is crap,once it goes it does not come back, local companies get stuff manufactured overseas.Just more proof of who Trump will govern for.

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The election is over now so recriminations against Harris are pointless.She was hamstrung by the party as most pollies are, she was caught, willingly or otherwise I do not know, in a trap of offering basically more of the same, which had been very clear people did not want, she said early she would not be silent on Gaza then promptly went silentā€¦this is typical party stuff the world over.
On top of that she is a woman and of colour which she had to carry,It is disgraceful, but says more about the country it seems.

The ones who voted for Trump who usually vote democrat are the ones you should be having a go at. The Democrat party need to look at themselves ask why they didnā€™t engage more with the people, then they maybe felt the need to vote and then maybe they would have come out and voted for Harris. They alienated so many ethnic minority groups, it was a form of protest for them.

thats debatableā€¦

an existing operation that puts together imported widgets to make bigger widgets may not find it worth while manufacturingā€¦

but thered be plenty of small and medium businesses that would find they could now compete.

the price may go up at the till, i dont think anyone really disagrees with that, but maybe a significant proportion of people believe the cost implications are worth the overall picture of inhouse manufacturing being competitive again.

heres an interesting debate;

from a pure climate issue, tariffs on non essential imported items should be set at 100%

the key element would be to define what is and what isnt essential, i wont do that here and now as i dont believe it is the correct thread, but its more to suggest tariffs themselves arent the end of civilisation as we know itā€¦

Itā€™s a Two Horse Race. Not voting doesnā€™t absolve you of blame in the real world outside ones own egoistical protest fantasy. In a Two Horse Race, not voting means that you do not see a difference or do not care who wins. It is bloody Trump, not Bush versus Gore. The protest you speak of brought in trump, which is damning to those protestors beyond belief. Fuck them all, every one of those selfish bastards.

Of course the Democrat Party needs to look at themselves, it is obvious. But that doesnā€™t absolve non-voters or Trump voters in any form or way.

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Anyway, rigtht now, probably for a few days, I am more angry and wrathful than usual, so I donā€™t want to debate. I am not very understanding at this moment. The voters got who they voted for (or not voted for). Itā€™s on them all and I personally, at least now, despise most of them and particularly protest voters who actually knew what Trump was but didnā€™t vote for Harris anyway out of spite, pride and retaliation for foreign policy etc (heinously egotistical beings). The consequences of Trump ought to have been fucking obvious to everyone not having jelly for brains.

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No one says they are which is why every administration uses them. That is not the criticism of trumpā€™s approach them. For instance, the Biden administration coupled targeted tariffs on china (notably targeted not across the board) with incredible levels of funding of domestic made production capabilities. The criticism of trump is that tariffs alone are not an industrial policy and he has no strategy for doing it

Add in the presidents authority to implement and change them their is also concern that this is just his approach form personal enrichment where tariffs come off sectors if he is paid for making it so.

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https://www.axios.com/2024/11/07/trump-national-security-foreign-policy-team

A lot of well known wonderful friendly human beings here.

Was Galloway the weirdo who purred like a kitten with Rula Lenska all those years ago?

If so, he seems well qualified to have his say :joy:

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He has done much worse than that. To be frank, if he took out his cock and wanked on TV in front of millions of viewers, i would not condemn him. That would not be important. It would just be vulgar and disgraceful.
But the man is ethically cruel and ideologically insane. I condemn him for that, not because of his fancy hats or purring.

Since the election Iā€™ve engaged with the inquest a bit and read some good articles and so on. Now Iā€™m at a crossroads.

Part of me wants to continue to engage to keep an eye on the moves that Trump is making and will make. And part of me wants to withdraw, almost in a self-preservation mode.

The agenda is horrifying. He will install some idiots into positions way beyond their capability, and at the same time there will be an army of more serious minded quieter types pushing through the project 25 agenda. Government expertise will be hollowed out and rules and norms will evaporate. He will devise new ways to continue to keep himself above the law, and will commit numerous crimes using all the advantages of his office. He will of course enrich himself and his cronies too.

I donā€™t know that I can watch it all unfold, or pay too much attention. Work is busy, family life is good, kids are growing up, the reds are doing really well at the start of Slotā€™s ascentā€¦ there are a lot of good things to be more than occupied with, instead of spending too much time worrying about Trump. I donā€™t know if that is right or not, but he is a mob boss of low intellect, the basest and most vile of people you could find, and wholly unsuited to the office. Iā€™m not sure what to do, other than ignore it. And then I wonder if that sort of attitude cements his victory, not just in winning an election, but in wearing people down who stand for better?

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Eek.

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The problem is that most people do have jelly for brains, thanks to 45 years of neoliberal brainwashing.

And I agree unequivocally with your assertion that those who stayed at home and did not vote, for whatever reason, are just as culpable for this reprehensible result as the imbeciles who actually voted for Trump.

I read this article yesterday, which pretty much sums things up to a tee:

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The US now needs to go through a period of destruction and ferment that it has chosen so that it is ready for the revolution that will follow. Iā€™d GTFO if I lived thereā€¦

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Why does anyone even give this person any airtime at all?