What else is he supposed to say? The central issue at United over the past 10 years has been refusal to accept the reality of their situation. To rebuild a team that can compete, one with a coherent identity and different than what they are doing now, is going to have teething problems. But it is what they need to do to get back to where they want to be. It is better to accept that medicine than pretend it can be solved by just adding one more 100m player, and if you are going to take those steps you need the crowd to come with you. That means expectation management. He will need to teach the fanbase to focus on evidence of the process working rather than results. Remember all the breathless âis Klopp any better than Rodgers?â discussions because for the first 18 months the results werenât any better than what Rodgers achieved? We only got through that because Klopp got us focusing on the things that if we kept doing them and gave him time to build would lead us to a team that could compete with the very best. We could deal with a shitty 2-1 loss to Palace because we knew we were still having to use players who wouldnât be in Kloppâs plans long term and saw enough elements in the performance of what his team would look like once heâd cleaned house of those stop gap players. That is the path Amorim is going to have to take with the Utd fan base over the next season and a half.
Why didnât he get the customary new manager bounce?
Probably Ruud-y robbed by van Nisterooy.
He can always add in a few words after that sentence; along the line of âtill I get us to the Promised Landâ.
Klopp had a hell of a lot more credit in the bank due to his coaching pedigree before coming to us. Heâd taken Mainz all the way to the Bundesliga, had taken a fallen BVB from mediocrity to breaking Bayernâs hold on the German league, and even challenged for the CL with them. Amorim has won the Portuguese league a couple of times with one of the biggest clubs in the country, and hasnât done much of note in Europe.
What Amorim is saying is more reminiscent of Hodgson when he said us fans would have to get used to being midtable or somesuch. Itâs uninspiring dreck that no âbig clubâ should be espousing. While heâs technically correct, it feels more like heâs covering his own ass in preparation for having very little money to spend over the next year or so. United fans are sick of the endless cycle of new managers needing to spend half a billion quid on new players for âtheir systemâ, only for those players to flop and them being right back at square one. Heâs going to be expected to work with many of the players they have, and lucky for us, those players are all shite.

Klopp had a hell of a lot more credit in the bank due to his coaching pedigree before coming to us. Heâd taken Mainz all the way to the Bundesliga, had taken a fallen BVB from mediocrity to breaking Bayernâs hold on the German league, and even challenged for the CL with them. Amorim has won the Portuguese league a couple of times with one of the biggest clubs in the country, and hasnât done much of note in Europe.
Totally fair. That history of having done it a couple of times, once with a decent amount of pressure, is probably part of why he was so committed to doing it the right way, utterly confident in his abilities to make the pain pay off. There is no guarantee Amorim will be able to tread that path, and the further down it he goes and the more pain he experiences, you might see his commitment start to waver with him taking short cuts. That is all to play out, but it still seems totally reasonable for him to point out there are in this situation of having to hire an expensive new manager 1/3 of the way into the season only because they are fucking shit and fans should tempter their expectations of how quickly the results will turn around.

What Amorim is saying is more reminiscent of Hodgson when he said us fans would have to get used to being midtable or somesuch.
Roy said that without any follow up of any thought to get better. It was like he was saying âWTF do you expect? You are now shit enough to justify hiring me, so this is the best you get.â That is very clearly not what Amorim is saying.
Fair points @Limiescouse
Iâve had the sense that Amorim will be Villas-Boas mark II and Iâm sticking by it. After they play Everton at home next weekend, they have a brutal 7- game stretch through to Jan. What will the comments look like if he fails to win any of those?
Yeah, fingers crossed
Yeah, you can hear the âjudge him after 10 gamesâ conversations spinning up

Yeah, you can hear the âjudge him after 10 gamesâ conversations spinning up
âThese arenât his players! INEOS need to back him or the green-and-gold scarves are coming out again!â

Yeah, you can hear the âjudge him after 10 gamesâ conversations spinning up
How many games until the âweâre not a sacking club. We back our managersâ talk starts?

green-and-gold scarves
Half and half wankers.
Oh wait⌠the Gold reflects their past glories and the Green symbolises their envy of us.
About 10 games?
That statement sounds to me as though he is playing for time due to his own limitations⌠not those of the players, or transfer kitty he will inherit
If he thinks he can remain under the radar while he gets to grips with the job, or making the best fist of it at least, he has certainly joined the wrong club for thatâŚ
This PL is ruthless on the managers of clubs with no ambition, he will have little chance of surviving the media onslaught coming his way if he proves to be little more than a paper tiger
I do think he is trying to set out some needed hard truths, while greatly underestimating the challenge involved in that. If the Club is genuine about expecting to begin to show progress largely with the existing stock of players, the difficulty he faces is that if does not self-evidently happen in fairly short order, someone needs to be the scapegoat.
That said, I do think there is some untapped potential in that squad. Just watching how Sancho and McTominay have flourished once away sets that out.
Think that Hodgson made us look worse than what we were. And Amorimâs actually stating the truth, United are shit.
Donât think the problem is that Amorim isnât a good manager. He clearly is.
Liverpool didnât choose him because of the massive whole scaled changes that he would want. And thatâs for a fully functional slightly underachieving team that liverpool was. Imagine whatâs the case for United.
He did, but that was a desperately weak side. Lower talent level than this ManU side, without question.
What Carragher must have been thinking in that momentâŚ
Look at any of the sides ManU has put out this season, and you easily get to 5-6 youâd swap. That photo was before a European night, no less.

What Carragher must have been thinking in that momentâŚ
Jonjo is going to be better than GerrardâŚ
Itâs Babel who amuses me in this pic with his 1000 yard âWTF have I got myself intoâ stare
More bald heads than the PGMOL.
More bald heads than peaches in a house of mirrors