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Yup it’s on a par with Stoke, that one had the caveat that I could just forget about the whole season, this one on the caveat that we are in a better position and were missing four of our best players.
Last Sunday evening
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You saw my bump then??
For me I can never forget and forgive Stoke. It was Gerrard’s final appearance with us and apart from him I don’t recall any of them make any effort. It was the last time I want to see Rodgers managing Liverpool as well, couldn’t see how he could do better, he lost it well before that point. Such two bitter pills to swallow after the false hope of 2013-14. End of an era and a decline ahead.
Even now if I type ‘liverpool stoke’ Google will suggest that 6-1 match right away…
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if it wasn’t for klopp & the trophies that stoke debacle would loom so much larger in my mind
boy oh boy was that grim
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Crystal Palace 3-3 Liverpool, 2014. I don’t think I need to say much more. Had a brief panic because I threw my laptop across the room I was staying in at the time (was living abroad in Italy). My Italian flatmates heard a noise and asked what was wrong in broken English. I just said: “calcio, fucking Liverpool” and made a face and they understood.
For an earlier one, I remember United turning us around at OT 2-1 late in the FA Cup (98/99 I think?) when I was only 7/8. Michael Owen scored that header and got my hopes up.
My Dad’s will always be 1971 FA Cup Final. Charlie George lying on the ground - him and his brothers all in floods of tears. He hates Arsenal to this day because of it, even more so than our obvious rivals.
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Aston Villa 7-2
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Pls this must not happen again.
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Well, don’t type it. There’s no reason to type Stoke in google.
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For me, that result was made more tolerable by the brilliant article about it from the Daily Mash. Gallows humour but I couldn’t stop laughing. Here,
Liverpool regret leaving Crystal Palace game early to beat traffic
8th May 2014
BRENDAN Rodgers has admitted that allowing his team to leave Selhurst Park after 79 minutes to avoid traffic was a mistake.
Liverpool manager Rodgers made the decision when his men appeared to be on top with a 3-0 lead, but things swiftly turned around after they left.
Rodgers said: “In hindsight it was an error to withdraw my side in a bid to get a smooth run up the M1.
“But it can be a nightmare getting out of south London, especially when there’s football on.”
Palace visibly grew in confidence and enjoyed the majority of possession in the last 11 minutes, regularly finding space on the otherwise empty pitch.
Rogers admitted: “When we put the radio on and heard Palace had pulled it back to 3-2, I sensed we might be in trouble.
“It’s amazing how powerless you feel as a manager sometimes, especially when you’re at Newport Pagnell Services queuing to buy a Twix.”
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I assume all these memories of matches will in time be replaced with something better. It’s something perhaps we need to remember in regards that last week.
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Stevie’s last game with us where we got flogged by Stoke I think it was.
Defo the low point in my support of the club, was so disgusted with the players on the pitch that day that they couldn’t send the club’s greatest ever player off in the manner he deserved. Was the end of an era for me too, Stevie had been there since day dot for me. I really struggled to get into the games the following season I just didnt love any of the players like I did Stevie.
Have to say the continuing VAR farce is fast approaching this point though. I can’t celebrate goals anymore, they’ve taken the the joy of football away with VAR. It use to be the odd goal would be ruled offside or whatever and you took the good with the bad because it was an occasional thing.
Now I have to wait on every goal because I’m expecting them all to be overruled now and by the time they are confirmed that moment of elation is gone and I’m left with the “at least VAR didn’t f##k us on that one” feeling which doesn’t come close to that feeling of pure joy when you see the ball in the back of the net.
Sad time to be a supporter of this game. No crowds at game so no atmosphere which already saps the energy out of the game and now VAR adding it’s farcical rulings to dwindle the enjoyment in the game even further.
I’ve missed more games since we returned from lockdown than I have in the 20+ years of supporting the club prior to lockdown.
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Yesterday. Disasters aside.
Im going to ignore Hysel and Hillsborough because I dont think I can really add anything that hasnt already been said way better by others…
This one sits surprisingly hard. The difficulty of the period between Kenny I and Klopp was the hope and then getting that dashed. I genuinely believed we were onto something with Evans and that he was building a side that could beat Fergie’s. The faltering league challenge that season was a disappointment, but felt like something we could build on. But the ineptitude of the performance of that final made me question that. Aye, it was only 1 game and can be read into too much, but it was the beginning of a 10+ year period of deep cynicism that made me look at the various sides we had who made a decent league run and think “but they’re not good enough to get over the line”. We did well the following year, but I never really believed in it even when we were top of the table (for 1 fucking game). It took until Rafa in 08-09 to give me something I could properly believe in again.
The other would be the sad loss of giving a shit that I experienced in Hodgson’s short time. I got into a couple of fights with @ZinedineBiscan in that period with how negative he was being about it but then found myself realizing he was right when I saw we had a game that was being televized here (not very common at the time) and I found myself making plans to do something anyway. It felt like i’d lost something really important at that moment. That Roy had robbed it from me.
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I think this game gets badly mischaracterized. You cannot absorb attacks from a side utterly disinterested in attacking. It was an astoundingly negative and cynical performance from Chelsea that day from the first minute with them seemingly trying to coax us into losing composure and then seeing if there was an opportunity to take from that. Up until the goal we actually responded with a surprising level of restraint, seemingly understanding their strategy and accepting that a goalless draw was fine. There was a real lack of engagement from us, and if anything we became too relaxed in thinking we could just knock the ball around to each other uncontested. Obviously things changed after in the second half after the goal, but that is absolutely not the way we played through the first half with the game still at a 0-0 we seemed perfectly fine leaving with.
My following starts from 00/01.
In the first years as a Liverpool fan, most of the bad or worst experiences are naturally linked to certain key defeats, opportunities missed, maybe certain departures of individuals, sad periods of form and uncertainity for the future at the time.
Chronologically… a few. Some more important than others.
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Lucio’s goal in Leverkusen through Dudek’s legs was if I remember well, the first time I cried as a Liverpool fan. I was 11 at the time. What an opportunity it was. We were minutes away from a CL semi final and we would’ve played United there. For the first time in European competitions! In the years when we actually used to beat them quite often.
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The 3-3 against Basel away in the following CL season. Final game of the group, we have to win to go through. We’re losing 3-0 at HT and we come back to 3-3. Riise I think missed an absolute sitter in the final minutes for what would be an incredible come back. Which would later prove to be quite a habit for this club, Basel being such a bad place for us and having great dramatic games! Cried again.
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Owen’s body language in 03/04 (similar to Torres when he came back from WC10 for the first half of 10/11) already looked like he was thinking of a move, but Gerrard’s saga after Istanbul was very bad for me at the time. I remember living absolutely day by day with the rumours. Just gave up at one point and accepted that he would be leaving to join Chelsea. It was hard at the time to keep up because I still didn’t have internet at home on a regular basis. Used to keep all the news’ articles. Was a brilliant outcome in the end, but the few days when it looked like he would definitely leave were horrible.
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Look no further, Sao Paulo. Comfortably one of the worst defeats as a Liverpool fan, even to this day having finally won the trophy in 2019. We were in brilliant form heading into the tournament. Something like 10 consecutive league wins out of which 8 consecutive clean sheets. Probably the first really, really stable Benitez Liverpool side. Remember watching it on a shitty stream in the morning, as it was in Japan. Think we had something like 18 or 19 corners and 3 disallowed goals. Rogerio Ceni played an absolute blinder in goal for them. We just couldn’t score, or when we did, they ruled it out. I don’t know if we ever had a game when so many things went against us and nothing went our way. At the time, I really took nothing for granted and I was already realistic enough thinking, when’s the next time we would be in a CWC final.
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Benfica was painful, but more from a perspective because we were defending Istanbul. We lost in Portugal and there was this massive expectation for a big return leg at Anfield. One big new banner was made with a new looking Liverbird and I think we never saw it again after that game. I remember the pitch looked horrendous. We lost Hyypia and Riise before the game, so Traore and Warnock had to start. That was a blow, no doubt.
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Athens of course. Rafa overall was a high level tactician, but objectivelly, he got it wrong in a lot of finals for us from the start with some of his very weird decisions. Hence why we had to turn it around in a few (I think we were leading only in one, when Riise scored that early volley against Chelsea). Too offensive team selection in Istanbul, switching the sides of Carragher and Hyypia at CB in Cardiff to counter f*cking Harewood and Ashton, too defensive team selection in Athens. Istanbul was already more than enough and special, but to possibly win it twice in two years, that would’ve been incredible. You saw on Rafa’s face straight after the final whistle, he took this team as far as he could at the time. He needed a major protagonist striker (and by that point, we knew that it wouldn’t be Dirk Kuyt, albeit an important player), which would then become Fernando Torres.
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Rafa’s final two seasons was a mixture of emotions. So sad that arguably his best 08/09 side didn’t win anything, coupled with one of the most beautiful Hillsborough memorials (it often seemed like we were close to winning the league when there was an important Hillsborough event). Which culminated in his departure and I was really in bits that day. One of the saddest days as a LFC fan. Was really angry at the club also, considering the type of people that were running it and making decisions. The sad game is the Atletico return leg. We were brilliant in the opening of the game. Had injury issues and played Mascherano at RB, Johnson at LB, Aquilani behind the striker. Benayoun’s goal was almost the deciding factor, because I believe we would’ve beaten Roy Hodgson’s Fulham side in the final. And in that scenario, I think Rafa would’ve remained in the job. But then, bloody Diego Forlan…
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One period that must be some of the darkest times we ever faced was the whole catastrophic state the club was in, especially from 2010 onwards. When Rafa left, I felt like there wasn’t a single important person at the club who I wanted to see there long term, with us. We were practically dead, very close to it. It was really dangerous. Really dark times and on the pitch, it looked horrible also. Kenny managed to bring a little bit of calmness and hope, but you quickly saw that it wouldn’t be the right way forward for us. Bringing Andy Carroll for a record fee could be in a category in itself, but I don’t even want to remind myself. We had many false dawns.
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Obviously the Chelsea game in 2014 was the moment when we lost it. That’s probably the angriest I’ve been watching a Liverpool game. It’s like we completely froze and abandoned all the good things we produced that season. At least going forward (because it would’ve been perverse to win a leage title, conceding 50 goals). Didn’t manage to create a single good chance, think the best one we had was a Joe Allen shot outside the box. Not even something you’d call a chance. So many players hid that day, so few were offering themselves for the ball. No combination play between the lines, which was our best quality that season. Henderson or no Henderson. We were just launching poor early crosses into Chelsea’s deep block, which was bread and butter for them to defend. I loved Suarez as a player and he had one of the craziest single seasons from a footballer, but f*ck me, he was absolutely nowhere to be seen that day. Players kept passing the ball back to Gerrard in the second half, who was then trying some desperate shots. I was feeling so sorry for him (but the anger towards our performance was bigger), he had to carry so much on his shoulders once again.
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Even if you could see the immediate positivity under Klopp, let’s not lie, there was still enough uncertainity in his period before 2017 and 2018. The defeat against Sevilla was hard to take. It wasn’t a good performance. We had about a 15 minute spell of really good football in the first half, the rest of it was meh. And second half was horrible. That night I said that I never want to see Milner again playing in a double-pivot midfield (then he had his season at LB and then probably his best midfield period in 2018 in a midfield trio!). At that point, we don’t know what’s coming. We only know that Klopp will keep working and hopefully improve us. Still, on the night, you hoped we would get it done. We beat some really quality sides on the route to the final. The path was similar to the one in 00/01.
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Not a major one, but the League Cup semi final against Southampton was also a brilliant chance to win a trophy directly against United. We failed to score a single goal in the 4 games against Claude Puel’s Southampton that season. There was only one goal in those games and it was the decisive one, losing the return the leg at Anfield. Disappointing and very weird stuff.
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Kiev I can’t say it’s one of my worst Liverpool experience because I was there. 6 days in Kiev, leading up to the final, the whole drama of searching for and finding a ticket. I was lucky enough to witness and take part in what I believe was the start of the whole Boss Night thing. I can’t explain the level of happiness I felt being in the stands, minutes before the match would start and the whole atmosphere. When “One Kiss” spontaneously became part of our culture. The feeling in the air was like “whatever happens tonight, we are back where we belong”. And I also thought we had a decent chance to win. That Zidane’s Real… it’s incredible that no one managed to beat them. More than losing, it was the manner of how we lost. There was not much in it really. Although we really didn’t manage to create the chaos in pressing that maybe the world expected from us. Real showed us in a few games that they know how to beat our press, in fact, they love it. Moved Casemiro away in their build up phase, dropped Kroos or Modric, Isco acted as the 4th midfielder and that was enough for them to avoid trouble. Still, when Mane scored the equalizer, I said to a mate alongside, from this point, either we get another quick one through momentum, or we simply cannot concede again. Our bench was too weak. If we have to lose this, take them to deep waters, take them to penalties. Horrible night for Karius, what can you say. Stuff like that rarely happens at the absolute top level. 3 factors were massive. Salah’s injury, Karius gifting not one but two goals and then Bale’s goal which is out of this world (on par with Zizou’s 2002 strike arguably even harder). Can’t expect to win against Real with all that shit happening.
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Klopp deciding to leave 2 years earlier. Even if you never know what would’ve happened in the mean time. If this season was like last, I believe he might’ve got the sack, resigned or the two sides might’ve parted ways. Not as dramatic as when Rafa left, but that’s because I matured. Plus, the club is in a better place than back then. So there’s more hope for tomorrow. It will still be highly emotional though at the end of the season. I feel a mixture of sadness and slight anger at the club that we didn’t sort the roles around/above Klopp in time to give him the best possible chance for these final few years.
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No particular order
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Losing the 2009 PL title to Man Utd with the team we had.
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Nearly being taken into administration by H&G
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Losing the title in 13/14.
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The dark Hodgson years
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Losing Owen (is a cunt of the highest order but atleast he was our cunt)
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Sao Paulo during Rafa
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Gerrard’s last match where the opposition let him score a sympathy goal. We were fucking wank for that match and that for me was the match I tuned out of Rodgers as a Liverpool manager totally
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UCL final vs Real Madrid where Salah got fouled out of the game by Cuntio Ramos , Karius had those goalkeeping blunders and then the Bale goal which came out of freaking nowhere.
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Hillsborough and Heysel.
A very long way below these; Shanks, Keegan, Dalglish, Owen, Torres, Suarez leaving.
Wimbledon final, Michael Thomas, Cream suits, Roy, Gerrard slip, Ramos assault, etc etc
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