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Follow my posts about working in a hotel in France before you make your mind up and reply.
Anyway he’s moved on now, started his own business with his knowledge of Chinese business, import/export, and living in France. I haven’t seen him for a while however I wish him well, lovely bloke, his French really wasn’t quite up to it, his English definitely would be!

A Sudanese speaking Cantonese! Must be a CCP spy from the Canton province.

No he’s Sudanese with French residency papers because the UK won’t let him live near his familly.

I’d draw you a picture if I could, perhaps you could have a go without having a chinese flag anywhere in view?

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I think the problem with accepting asylum refugees are the long term plan and integration for them. While its nice that countries are accepting people in immediate danger, ultimately these people or at least most of them are not seeking a free meal ticket for the rest of their lives while wasting away in refugee camps. Being able to make their own living and feed their families in safe environment is what they seek. So that is why eventually after living in camps for long period of time, they will get restless. So governments of countries should not look at accepting refugees are a KPI in itself, it should be a means to an end not the end itself. Should the refugees be grateful for gaining entry to a safer country? Yes they should but countries, if you really want to accept refugees, you have to do more than just that. When the Syrian troubles first started, I went to my customer’s place in Kuala Lumpur and I was surprised he had 2 new staff there in a luxury retail store. I talked to them and they told me in really good English that they escaped Syria to Malaysia and were able to find jobs pretty quickly. This really give them hope that they can now build a new life instead of just being outsiders imposing on other people.

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I’m probably in the minority here, but the article makes it quite clear this was someone who needed help. I think the bigger question would be why the mental healthcare in this country has been allowed to go down the drain.

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It’s always been a problem and that is why there is meant to be a thorough asylum system.

If you think about the largest single asylum crisis, at the end of the second world war, there were huge numbers of displaced people in genuine need, but many of the perpetrators of human rights abuses not only hid amongst this group, but also claimed that they themselves were victims of war crimes.

It came down to the likes of Simon Wiesenthal who had both the information and motivation to hunt them down.

The problem then and now is that countries don’t have the will to process cases and the likes of the UNHCR are overwhelmed with cases.

In terms of people who shouldn’t be granted asylum but can’t be returned, there needs to be a better process. It has to be international but there isn’t the will at the moment.

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It’s cheaper and in any case people with mental health problems are undeserving nut jobs.
It was started in Italy where mental institutes where emptied and studies showed money was saved so was taken up by other ‘European’ countries.
The poor mental cases just got forgotten.

How do we know he’s got mental health issues? Even if he has, I’m sure he knows it’s wrong to throw a corrosive substance over people and what the likely outcome would be.

Because nobody with a sane mind would throw chemicals over someone

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Was he granted asylum after committing this offence, or before?

If asylum came after, deport and review the case, with possible sacking for gross misjudgment.

If asylum came before, and he committed the offence after that, it would be a clear deportation for me.

A basic requirement for any asylum seeker has to be that they don’t commit crime, and if they do, they are sent straight back from whence they came and will not be allowed to come in again in future either.

There can be a tariff on the type of crime e.g. very minor stuff might not result in deportation, I’d need help with where the line is, but clearly someone who throws a corrosive substance at people like this needs to be removed from society for its protection.

As an asylum seeker, the remedy isn’t prison, it’s deportation.

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The problem is where they are deported to. Many can’t be deported back to their original country because they may be killed (whether deserved or not). This is why deportations to the US carry the caveat that they will not face a death sentence.

You need some way of dealing with people who fall through the system like that.

Sometimes I marvel at the loose definition of asylum in certain countries. Our very own Singaporean Amos Yee, ran away to USA and claimed asylum. The Federal government of the US rejected it, but the Chicago court approved it. Human rights activists fought for him claiming that Singapore is going to persecute him. In the end, he got the asylum and today he is an imprisoned and reoffending criminal of crimes of child pornography, paedophilia etc… Well done to the people who fought for him. We are glad the US took him off our hands.

I would deport them back to the country of origin.

This is for those who come and commit a serious crime, like the one we just saw.

The upper factor, for me, would be the safety of society here, not the safety of the individual who is returning home, even if that means danger for them.

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Or maybe he’s just evil.

I think that’s too much of a cop-out, don’t you think? People aren’t good or evil, people do good or evil things. Saying he is evil denies the possibility that he can change, that it’s in his nature to always do evil things. It denies the very real responsibility of his own choices.

On the other hand, if it’s mental health issues involved here, then the question involved would be what the effects of any rehabilitation process are. If he re-offends despite being healthy again, that’s his own deliberate choice and not something he can vaguely attribute to his nature, isn’t it?

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That’s because you’re looking at it from the perspective of an individual case as opposed to the principles involved here. If there was someone in the exact same situation who wasn’t a paedophile, what would be the considerations involved?

Incidentally, I would also point out that the Singaporean government quite clearly did not seem to have noticed this part of him either, otherwise he probably wouldn’t have gotten asylum.

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Massively. Most problematically is that framing closes the door to any level of understanding of how to deal with the situation.

One of the things I am struck by in my time in the US is how little Americans understand about the second world war. Where it really came from and what the real motivations for fighting were. What you will typically find is people completely incapable of understanding it in any way other than Nazis evil, which of course then automatically frames the US as being the good guys opposing fascism. That level of understanding blocks out the level of support fascisms had in the US among the population at large and power brokers. It blocks out that Hitler himself looked to the Jim Crow south as a how to guide for his ideas. It makes one blind to seeing those same trends occurring in the present.

If the US were the good guys opposing fascism because fascism is evil, then no amount of my fascist desires today can actually be fascism or bad, because we are the good guys and fascism was something the evil guys did.

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The army will decide

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Of course they will. But it’s a mighty slap in their face. After backing Nawaz to the hilt, his party is barely ahead even in his heartland of Punjab. I think the last time they failed to manage an election was in 1970.

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