I don’t like Modi. But he’s not done anything beyond taking the “Indira Gandhi playbook” and running with it. And not even close to the extent that Indira Gandhi went yet.
As far as his party goes, I detest them and what they(and their related organizations) stand for. but You’ve got to understand that the congress(and all other political parties) are backing the military action too. For all the loggerheads that parties in India remain in domestic issues, On most foreign and defense related issues, they generally tend to form a pretty quick consensus.
Congress leader btw. Many more examples of the same can be found online
India has multiple parties. Sure Modi can get enough to get himself back in power, but he’s not even come 2% close to the damage Trump has done to democracy in USA
I’m talking about the rotting of the institutional culture, presuming they even had one to begin with. The topic of discussion was about disinformation. What does both parties supporting them have anything to do with that? If anything, I would expect it means that the disinformation is more likely.
Most people still vote for Local issues for elections. Sure disinformation persists and is a major major concern but we’ve increasingly seen that people are back to voting for state level issues as far as elections go which always should be the case. Disinformation plays less of a role when people are voting for state issues even in the central elections.
If the disinformation spread by the BJP was so all pervasive , you would think that the NDA would have won a more comprehensive mandate this time around with BJP getting enough votes to form the govt by their own. They’ve had to rely on allies this time around. Congress and their allies gained a fair number of seats too. Enough to be a credible opposition this time around.
I’m just stating that the foriegn policies of India do not really change (regardless of which party is in power). And I hear you listening to the Institutional culture, It’s not been as bad as i feared especially with the right wingers not being as pervasive (with these elections)
Indian news sites are stating that all flights and pilots are safe and accounted for. The amount of disinformation around , we wouldn’t know what exactly happened till some time.
I wouldn’t think too much into Pakistani disinformation. The army brainwashes a huge chunk of the population to have them believe that they won quite a lot of previous wars with India.
again. as with news coming from both sides. Take it with a pinch of salt. This person is a wanted international terrorist btw. And we’ve had Pakistani ministers stating that there are no terrorists on their soil.
So Indian government sources speaking to Reuters would lie and claim they lost aircrafts, when this is clearly bad for India ? That makes no sense. It is not Pakistani sources.
I think this is problematic because it is such a politically sensitive Pakistani military success, which might mean that India thinks it must strike again, harder, to avoid having this entire exchange branded as a defeat.
On Twitter, defence experts are rather surprised. The Indian Air Force is seen as very competent, better than the Pakistani. But here they have driven into a GBAD trap and had several jets shot down inside Indian air space by pakistani ground based air defence. This is very significant !
Also very dangerous and sensitive. Because this does not restore Indian deterrence, but grants Pakistan a political propaganda victory and that is dangerous.
I find this worrisome and potentially very escalatory.
Yeah, I am careful with fakes and have far from posted all the dubious videos. Believe me, I am very aware of the disinfo and fakes and as you saw yesterday nigth, I did not post before confirmations by better sources.
But the truth is, India is as bad as Pakistan on twitter regarding spreading badly faked OSINT, democracy or not, the Indian fakes and spin has been awful. Competent people destroy these fakes within hours though.
It is not possible to con the OSINT community for long, so I don’t understand why pakistanis and indians even try this fake bs with old videos and even computer games (battlefield and ARMADA). People who are comptent shrivel the fakes and date and geolocate the fakes fairly fast. A fake video lasts for 1 day max, before torn apart.
Jets downed or not, many targets were hit. Depots with ammunition destroyed, at least one who could be heard cooking off throughout the night on live stream (I didn’t watch, but others did).
Seems India wants to keep a lid on this, probably a bit worried about public opinion. There is no military reason to not divulge more information regarding the jets.