He does make a lot of sense. I’m not sure how you can improve the situation. In Germany, the full identities of suspects are withheld, but that just allows people to make their own inferences depending with it is reported as Stefan B or Mohamed B. I suppose it would have to be SB or MB.
What I think they could do is to deal with deliberate malicious misinformation more strongly. If someone is posting false details claiming that a perpetrator is of a certain race, religion, status etc, surely that should come under the category of incitement?
It was a GrokAI answer to that question within a thread late last night. Ive just run the same search this morning, and it has retreated, still repeats the claims but cannot apportion them to any credible source. Words attributed to the attacker today are ‘the devil is not going to win’.
I didnt say I believed it, I said ‘I had read’, but yes would agree, but then, the whole world seems to want to persuade us of things that arent true at the moment!
Thats a hard statistic to bring out any really causative analysis though. The amount of people who would entertain mass civilian murder is in any event miniscule.
There are other reasons behind sentencing. Just desserts, being the prime consideration, does the punishment fit the crime.
Chicago Law School did a famous study in the 80s about legalising crack use and it concluded if it did, the users would not increase significantly, as there is only a minute number of individuals that would entertain such conduct.
The strongest argument against the death penalty is we dont have the right to kill, yet we deploy armies to other countries and kill wantonly. I dont know the answer, but increasing police presence ex post facto, is taking the piss really. I find that is commercial more than anything, here to keep passengers using the trains. But likely does nothing preventatively.
I question why we should support a mass murderer for the rest of their life in custody.
Quite ironic as he stabs people up. But with a Christian emphasis this time! You’ve got to be batshit nuts to even entertain the idea. I suspect skunk will be involved as well.
Exactly. Many will try and tell you that the UK is not violent and dangerous to live in. I myself have been stabbed 5 times today (3 fatally). I have also been mugged by roaming gangs of OAP’s multiple times in the last week, looking for kidneys that they can sell on the blackmarket to fund their oxygen habbits
It probably wouldn’t - not by much anyway, but even if it decreases the rate by 1% then it’s a chance I’d be willing to support. What benefit is there to having these sub humans amongst us? Nobody would miss them, nobody would shed a tear, they choose death over life yet they get to live? Doesn’t sit right with me.
& it’s not so much about stopping the atrocities, but more about the country taking a stand and uniting, our justice system is a failed operation - we need punishments that fit the crime, is minimised sentencing on the examination of “mental illness” really where we’re at?
Man also accused of attempted murder after separate incident on Saturdaypublished at 09:43
09:43Breaking
The police say that Anthony Williams, 32, is also being charged with an additional count of attempted murder and possession of a bladed article in relation to an incident on London’s DLR network in the early hours of Saturday.
It is understood that a victim suffered facial injuries after being attacked with a knife at Pontoon Dock station on London’s DLR network at 00:46.
Williams was later identified as a suspect.
Seems like the culprit from Saturday evenings knife attack tried something similar in London earlier on Saturday as well
It probably depends on the legal system. When the UK had capital punishment, executions were typically held within a month of conviction. In the US, people can be on death-row for 20 or 30 years in a series of very expensive legal challenges.
The problem with the old British system is that they hung a lot of innocent people. I’d rather have the current system of full life terms for the worst offenders. It’s a de facto death sentence, because they are being sent to prison to die, but it does have a safety net in terms of miscarriages of justice.
I’m not sure how many cases actually come under that banner. There is the caveat of evidence being “beyond reasonable doubt” but most evidence comes with a small level of uncertainty.
How can the incident from Sat result in a wrongful conviction though?
There are incidents where a miscarriage isnt possible. Even if its a strong argument generally, it would not apply to Huntingdon, the dipshit was caught red handed.
I’m guessing that he has had some sort of mental breakdown. That would usually trigger the diminished responsibility clause, which would never be a capital offence. The problem is that then relies on psychological evaluations and that is very subjective. There is no blood test for it.
The problem is, if you were to introduce a death sentence then pretty much every case will plead diminished responsibility and your conviction rate will go down.
Well the question then becomes, how useful is the death sentence as a deterrent in cases where the person committing the crime is quite clearly either prepared to die, e.g. by death by cop or in the commission of the act, or is mentally incapacitated to the point where it simply doesn’t make sense to execute a person who is mentally incompetent?