Ding Dong.....the US Politics Thread (Part 1)

You don’t think the Trump supporters will find a reason for protest?

Maybe, but I dont think there are enough to launch a ‘massive’ protest.

Plenty to chew on here, I know most of it but some might be interested…

Taibbi’s piece as well…

The problem is it doesnt need to be objectively “massive” to have massive ramifications. Especially given the groups that are most likely to kick off are likely to do so after organizing and coordinating their efforts.

Regan in his second term was previously the oldest person ever elected and oldest person to head a major party ticket. Both candidates this time are older than Regan was then.

There was a lot of talk about ageism during this campaign as it was frequently an issue raised about the perceived top 3 of the Dems who were all in their late 70s, but this is a position that nearly killed a much younger and virile Clinton, and made Obama and Bush age 25 years during their 8 years in office.

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So, two of the most respected liberal journalists are “Trump Mafia”. As a non-American the stupidity of them never ceases to amaze me…

  1. The poster you are referring to is not American either
  2. Greenwald has been off the deep end for at least three years. Most respected liberal journalist 5 years ago, perhaps. He has been off the range for years now.
  3. We pretty much know that Greenwald’s greatest career moment came from kompromat (true, but his sources make it kompromat)
  4. Taibbi? Really?

How odd that two such ‘most respected journalists’ would come across such deep truths independently just two weeks before the election.

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I’m not referring to him, merely the current situation in the US and the insanity on show. I don’t really follow (have time to read) US politics much any more, how has Greenwald gone off the deep end?

Which moment was that, Snowden? Oh DNC leaks? They were in the public interest and, as you say, true. It does raise questions of who is regarded as a valid source, but then that doesn’t seem to matter for the CIA or other intelligence agencies, which is mostly utter disinformation. And the fact anyone who disagrees with Russiagate is immediately labelled a conspiracy theorist.

I like Taibbi, but again, mainly following him post-GFC and his take-downs of Wall Street criminality and Democrat acquiescence with the looting and impoverishment of ordinary Americans, foreclosures etc… Both are also happy to trash both sides of the political divide, which is more than one can say for most journalists.

These facts have been around for a fair while on blog sites since 2014. The only reason it has exploded here is the censorship of the New York Post article by Silicon Valley plutocrats. The Democrats favourite kind, well along with Wall Street.

Lets throw this out there…
Has there ever been a sharper mind out here than that of TREY GOWDY…!
Amongst many debates of his at the Senate Committee… watched him grilling Hilary Clinton re the Benghazi Hearing…
Even limited time restraints showed what an exceptional and ruthless litigator he was/is…

Hang on, wasnt there a Republican led committee a couple months that pretty much confirmed that Hunter Biden had not done anything wrong?

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Probably a bunch of commies

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Amongst the losers, irrespective of the party.

  1. There will be a group that will throw a fit like petulant children.

  2. There will be a group, which over the next four years, make a career for themselves selling conspiracies or plain tantrums.

  3. There will be small group of people correctly analysing the situation and will offer solutions for their party, but will be largely ignored.

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Well that might speak to where that headline came from, I imagine it would be a highly politicised affair. I’m not bothered. Let’s just say, if you think post neo-Nazi led coup in which Obama and Biden were complicit. The son of the sitting VP and the stepson of the sitting SoS, as well as a former CIA counter-terrorism chief suddenly turn up on a formerly tiny market cap energy company that is now the largest in the Ukraine and is owned by a nasty oligarch (not the one they think) who had recently insulted a small little chap not far too the East and it all looks rather fishy, no?

Also, Aleksandr Kwaśniewski, former President of Poland, was also appointed to the board just before the “Revolution of Dignity” :thinking:. Kwaśniewski approved the CIA’s black sites in Poland.

That he was paid millions of dollars for the fact, and then proceeds to turn up in other countries his fathers working in to continue on grifting, well… (Russia, a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow & dealing with Chinese CCCP insiders) Yes, I know they’re all corrupt, on both sides, maybe the press should focus on that!

Greenwald has seemingly had a rough time of the Trump administration. If you look at what his editors are saying in this latest dispute, it comes down to two things. First, they distrust his reliance on limited sources that have seemingly fallen into his lap, to which they wish to apply a high degree of corroboration. Second, that he has become long-winded and a poorly disciplined writer who regards everything he writes as being written in stone. In reaction, he has stormed off and posted a long-winded rant that appears to be based on a limited number of sources.

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Whoops…

Wrong thread…

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If there was any truth to it, I would imagine it would have been much more prevalent as both a story and attack line from Trump.

The ‘Liberal’ media is certainly capable of printing anti Biden stories as it did with Clinton. And there is a significant chunk of the media linked to Republicans. Instead we get some weak whimpering by someone on fox news saying the evidence went missing in the mail.

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From someone whose company won a court case by arguing what he says is not supposed to be taken seriously and would not be believed by reasonable people.

Tabbi appears to have gone down the path that many contrarians end up taking. When you make your name by telling a story that goes against the grain doing that becomes the focus rather than being right. One of the key pieces of the Post story is what happened in the news room prior to the story’s publication. This is not just a story that has considerable questions over its veracity, it is one that even those in the newsroom tried to distance themselves from and questioned the decisions of the editors in publishing it.

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When the dots are connected, the story doesn’t say what they want it to say. It is in their interest to keep this out there a vague insinuation of wrong doing than to genuinely argue the case they have.

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Again this guy hits the nail on the head. - Lot of bad language in this clip if you dont like that sort of thing!

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