Drill Baby Drill...the US Politics Thread (Part 2)

Hey, whatever you say!

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People refuse to acknowledge it now. Even more in this odd era of Bush reputational rehab, but it was his cruel anti-gay agenda in 2000 that politically activated me. It was fucking gross, and the realization that lots of the people around me didnā€™t immediately see it as such and instead nodded along like it was a normal and acceptable idea to push made me realize I needed to do something about it.

I bet a non-significant number of those guys have since sucked at least one cock.

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You know, you dont really get to say ā€œwith all due respectā€ in a conversation when you conduct yourself like this.

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Sorry, just habit of posting supporting sources where available.

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I donā€™t even know where to startā€¦

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20??? United States v. Windsor was just 11 years ago! Obergefell v. Hodges less than 9 years ago.

EDIT: Not to mention those bakers, forgot what case that was.

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Posts far-right meme: ā€œbut Iā€™m a leftist!ā€

When the state of Ohio passed its school ban there was a single trans student athlete in the entire state, and she was 1) playing a non-contact sport, and 2) self described as being fucking shit.

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Really? Why? This is a book that is distributed to school libraries. Do you think this is science? Can you not see how people would look at this and say itā€™s nonsense?

Again, I will reiterate, thereā€™s a difference between people transitioning and accepting an extremist gender ideology.

This is circular now. Your questions are only relevant if you accept your framing, framing that people have told you is based on a misunderstanding of the issue and you refuse to try to defend to help the conversation land on common ground where questions about the appropriateness of books like this can be had.

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If adults want to change their sex, have it. Thatā€™s a big deal. And Iā€™ll support you 99% of the time to be treated like whatever sex you are now.

But hey, I guess Iā€™m an evil science-denying right-winger for believing men canā€™t get pregnant. Instead, letā€™s listen to a trans woman who has been involved in politics for many years.

I have 100% sympathy for this woman.

https://x.com/briannawu/status/1887481340599194003?s=46&t=o3XUPKxiqJH7KZYdWMCtqg

Itā€™s only one voice, but itā€™s more credible than mine, amirite?

FTR this is the woman behind Gamergate. She was once considered far left. Now sheā€™s condemning the far left for setting back trans rights.

https://x.com/briannawu/status/1887264392435118332?s=46&t=o3XUPKxiqJH7KZYdWMCtqg

She says it better than I do.

https://x.com/briannawu/status/1886524857292136597?s=46&t=o3XUPKxiqJH7KZYdWMCtqg

Iā€™m aware at least one other person is at least partly in agreement with you. Pointing it out doesnā€™t really do anything to advance the conversation does it. Even once you have a clear understanding of the issue it is possibleā€¦reasonable evenā€¦to come to a position that favors strict restrictions in sports. I mean, @Arminius has largely landed on this position even while telling you your framing of the larger issue is wrong.

If someone is unable or unwilling to specificy what they mean by biological male then claims about what should or should not be afforded to these people is just handwaving.

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This is what I mean by extreme gender ideology. Extreme gender ideology means not only everyone has to accept whatever you say you are, but accepting whatever kids say they are, and giving them drugs to affirm that care no matter what.

Extreme gender ideology does not meaningfully differentiate between those who are genuinely trans and those who are not, ranging from kids going through puberty who are genuinely confused and criminal psychopaths who lie about gender to commit crimes against women.

Iā€™m 100% supportive of those who are genuinely the wrong sex. Iā€™m not of the latter. The far left tells you to accept everyone no matter what.

https://x.com/briannawu/status/1886388467250172050?s=46&t=o3XUPKxiqJH7KZYdWMCtqg

There are going to be thousands of lawsuits against schools, doctors, therapists etc over the next few decades by people who were advised as children to transition and later came to regret it as adults. It has started already. Extreme gender ideology allows this to happen by doing all of this with no evidence in science.

This is what I mean by extreme gender ideology. Extreme gender ideology means not only everyone has to accept whatever you say you are, but accepting whatever kids say they are, and giving them drugs to affirm that care no matter what.

Medicalization of ā€œgender affirmative careā€ to teens outside of therapy/counselling, behavioral changes, and hormone blockers is incredibly rare. And here it is important to point out that hormone blockers were previously a non-controversial, incredibly well studied Tx that have largely reversible effects and are given to cis kids far more often than to kids wanting gender affirmative care.

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Gees, that is so right and I had completely missed it.

Havenā€™t progressed much have we? Same prejudices in a different jacket.

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A person identified as a man can still get pregnant while taking testosterone i.e. hormone therapy. Of course it is better to stop, but always consult with your doctor first.

In any case, you said it yourself, gender stuff only applies to a minority of a minority of people, why is it being dredged up as an excuse to vote in Trump? Iā€™m sure there are ton of other books that might carry false science, whoā€™s going to be the library committee to get them out of circulation? What should their credentials be (moms for liberty probably canā€™t read above grade 5)? Isnā€™t this creating an extra layer of government oversight when the US is firing 50% of government employees?

CDC and NIH are getting dismantled, Iā€™m not sure you have ground to yell ā€˜but scienceā€™ as an American.

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