Drill Baby Drill...the US Politics Thread (Part 3)

Ah, so that whole point you made about Russia not expanding its borders by military force was, you know, kinda bullshit?

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Look, everyone is allowed 2 illegal invasions ok

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You know I didn’t say that. Look at my post. Obviously Russia has taken 20% of it’s territory and is indicating that’s all it intends to annex. But it doesn’t represent a threat to the rest of Europe any more than the US invading Greenland does. It is not geopolitical policy.

Yeah, apologies, you totally didn’t say the thing you said.
Enjoy the match.
Edit: Ah, I see. You edited that post later. Nice.

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Unless it’s the US and it’s Nato buddies and then you can add a zero to it right? :joy: But there’s nothing to worry about there, right?

It’s “just the tip” expansionism.

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Lol. Okay that’s a good one! Enjoy the game and you too Cologne!

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A minor point but Russia had significant wheat crop failures in 2010 and 2012 (wonder what caused that :thinking:. ) Nothing like invading a neighbour that also coincidentally has a significant wheat crop to give yourself an economic boost.

Probably not a significant reason but it is certainly convenient and kind of debunks your thoughts.

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Hmmm

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So, about that concern about the harm of people peddling drugs to,our citizens…
https://x.com/travisakers/status/2012539339998163406?s=61&t=VxX1vHU3NOwwNhlbyICG-g

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https://x.com/svdate/status/2012505960405712928?s=61&t=VxX1vHU3NOwwNhlbyICG-g

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What? It’s wild how little of a shit we give today about things that in 2017 we’re legit scandals

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Kinda debunks nothing really. How was Ukraine’s harvest those years and why wait 15 years? There’s a global oversupply of wheat and farmers can barely make a living from it because of tanking prices. Russia has millions of acres of agricultural land and the last thing it needs is more mate. Thing is, if you are an expansionist nation you look for places with stuff you want - like oil in Venezuela and oil, minerals and shipping routes in Greenland. What does the Donbas offer for billions of roubles and hundreds of thousands of lives? Fuck all, except falling down soviet era towns and empty fields.

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Your right an expansionist nation would only invade for something like oil …. Oh wait

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This is insane.
Increase tarifs until Denmark agrees to cede Greenland. It’s happening now, and it is happening fast this showdown. Incredibly uncomfortable situation to put it mildly.

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You will have noticed none of that is in the region that Russia has occupied, right? And it’s not as though Russia is short of natural gas anyway - especially since the Nordstream pipeline met an untimely demise. This report is from 2013 and obviously it is proving difficult to extract because Ukraine was getting most of it’s natural gas recently from Russia, a lot of it by illegal pilfering from the Russia pipeline leading to Germany.

Please look at the map again.

Please see my post here

Ukraine war wasn’t solely or even primarily about oil and gas (my position has changed in few years since posted that) However, energy and natural resources were a significant strategic factor that’s often downplayed.

Before 2014 and especially after, Ukraine was actively pursuing energy independence. Offshore Black Sea gas, domestic gas development, and closer integration with European energy markets. Crimea in particular matters here, because controlling Crimea gives control over large parts of the Black Sea economic zone and future offshore gas development.

While there wasn’t a finished pipeline ready to immediately replace Russian gas, the direction of travel was clear: a Ukraine aligned with the EU, developing its own resources and transit routes, would weaken Russia’s long-term energy leverage over Europe.

The war stopped that trajectory. Investment collapsed, international oil and gas companies pulled out, and Russia consolidated control over key territories with future resource value.

It’s also telling that later peace and reconstruction proposals including US-Ukraine resource agreements explicitly focus on oil, gas, and minerals. That doesn’t mean resources caused the war, but it does show they were always part of the strategic calculus.

So energy wasn’t the trigger control over territory that determines future energy and economic independence was clearly a major secondary objective.

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I really wish all the other countries would tell him to go jump and stop trading with America, what would happen then, the USA would go to rat shit!

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