Drill Baby Drill...the US Politics Thread (Part 3)

This guy is what counts as a thought leader among the youth right

https://x.com/josheakle/status/1820552574644404230?s=61&t=VxX1vHU3NOwwNhlbyICG-g

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Thee was a point about 12 months in where I stopped and asked “why has everyone centered discussion on the word collusion.” It is not a word normal people use so you assume it had some legal significance. But then in the lead up to muller wrapping up there started being discussions from the left of “set your expectations right…collusion is a not a legal term and so won’t be directly referenced by the report…he will be more focused on criminal conspiracy.”

I complain a lot that Dems allow the right to dictate the language used ina debate and so I am convinced this was a conscious play by someone on the right to seed the conversation with a term muller would not use in the hope that when Dems take the bait it will allow them to claim exoneration no matter what the reports says because it doesn’t say “collusion.” Which is pretty much exactly what happened.

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Yeah that exceeds Kim Jong Un levels.

But completely in line with today’s extreme far left’s utter disconnect from the people they claim to support

Yeah blacks and Latinos voted against Mamdani in huge numbers

But keep pretending he’s an avatar for racial “justice” when his parents live in multi million dollar apartments lol

Understand that Mamdani’s biggest support comes from the guilt ridden white extreme far left upper east side and the NGOs, and is totally disconnected from the working class most of whom they don’t represent

You’ve probably broken the law.

When I took my citizenship declaration, I had to swear I was proud to become an American citizen. Which I was.

It appears that you were not.

If you were not, then you should renounce your American citizenship and leave the country.

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I can’t tell if you’re

  • senile and suffering from early onset dementia
  • Suffering from a massive case of cognitive dissonance
  • Took a blow to the head that has permanently impaired your cognitive abilities
  • Genuinely an utter utter imbecile
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When I took my citizenship declaration, the judge gave an impassioned speech and told us that in America, no one is above the law.

Errr… about that.

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One can look at this case and others having been previously highlighted and consider if this tells a grim tale of where the US is headed (not under the governance of the so called “extreme left”, I would note), or one can focus on the ethical conondrum of @Limiescouse applying for citizenship to vote and his degree of how proud to do so he was.

I know what I think matters.

Or having a cognitive thought.

I’d reckon 80% of the people in the courtroom on my swearing in were non-Europeans. We collectively swore on the Bible then sang the national anthem. The decibel level was somewhere north of 90.

Funny, that.

Those people, and no doubt Limie, were proud to be a part of a country that was based on freedom, democracy, equal opportunities and citizen’s rights, all of which are being dismantled by the current administration. People who believe in these things have the right to protest and criticise when they are under attack.

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The term “far left” has me puzzled. May be there were some European groups in the 70 (?) that maybe at a push can be described as such but in the US, I struggle to see where the label can be applied.

On the other side, regarding the Trumpites, it is hard to fit them into a bracket beyond anarchists. It is odd that the moniker is not widely accepted.

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This is an example of how mass uncontrolled immigration propagated by the extreme far left hurts other law-abiding immigrants.

There are 3,144 counties in the US. Something like all but 2 moved towards Donald Trump in the 2024 election. Across all demographics except college educated white people, Donald Trump increased his vote share compared to the 2020 and 2016 elections. His biggest gains were amongst Latino working class men under 40. Trump gained his vote share virtually everywhere.

The two biggest issues in the election were the economy (re inflation) and immigration. Trump really can’t do much on inflation - in fact his policies are worsening inflation. But he can on immigration.

After WWII, the US government implemented Operation Wetback to address illegal immigration. Over 1 million Mexicans - including many legal migrants and even citizens - were deported back to Mexico. Something similar is happening now.

The rise of right wing populism around the world is being fueled by a belief that the immigration system is broken. The biggest opponents to this is the white working class because they are the people most negatively affected by it.

It is true that there are some jobs the local population will not do, at least at the wages currently offered - agriculture, fisheries, some construction. But this cheap foreign labour is directly targeted at the working classes, and it benefits the educated elites more than anyone since they don’t have to pay higher wages for someone to look after their kids or cut their lawns.

The left has a serious problem, at least in this country. The Democrats are becoming the party of educated elites. The working class - of all races - are moving away from them. And the vast majority of people are working class.

Open borders is a Marxist construct. Marxists argue that borders are artificial barriers that divide people. I don’t know much more of what is far left than Marx.

In fairness, many capitalists also propagate open borders, if quietly. They are the ones who benefit from cheap labour.

But the people who are most vocal about open borders today are on the left. Scroll up and you’ll see clips I posted of leftists like Bernie Sanders arguing a decade ago that mass immigration hurts domestic workers. But that narrative has been squelched by the far left who see themselves as advocates of the global poor at the expense of the domestic poor.

I find this a bit troubling as the sentence creates opposition between education and elite. This language is consistently used to bash the Democrats. It falsely implies that you can be an elite w/o education. It make it sound as if the Republican elites are one of us, one of the common/working class, which they are clearly not.

Education and tackling poverty are key. They are long term projects that will not turn the economy o/n but w/o addressing them, society will only spiral in one direction - down.

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Maybe he is. But he said he “bit the bullet” to become an American citizen.

IDK if English is your first language, but the idiom “bit the bullet” implies enduring pain. It derives from the battlefield when soldiers had to endure surgery without anesthesia. The medics would stick a bullet between a patient’s teeth to bite down on when they were performing surgery.

I was proud to become an American citizen. I certainly wouldn’t equate becoming an American citizen as tantamount to enduring surgery without anesthesia during a time of war.

There is no discernable “far left” in the US.

Those you demonise as such, eg Sanders or AOC, would be considered social democrats in most other democracies.

The slogan “open borders” is a misleading term cooked up by the right wing media to slur the Democrats, but under Biden there was no such thing. Only a very few libertarians would argue for that. It’s a complete distraction.

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It is true that borders are constructs which, over time have changed often enough to reflect that. The lure of a better life some where across such a construct is always going to be a draw. The solution would be uplift the countries from where the people come from - another project that is complicated and contentious.

The bottom line is that we, in the better of social sitting arrangement, do not want to give up our seats - that in almost all cases have only accessed through the accident of birth.

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I’m not saying education is bad per se. I am one of those credentialed educated elites after all. Education, be it at university or in the trades, is an important step towards a better life financially.

But if you look at the demographics of the Democratic Party, the people who consider themselves the most progressive are educated white people. And the more education the educated white people have, the more progressive they are.

This is born out in the NYC mayoral election. Mamdani’s biggest supporters are in the Upper East Side, ie white, rich, highly educated people. The biggest groups not supporting Mamdani were black and Hispanics, ie mostly working class, people in the outer boroughs.

The problem for the Democratic Party is that the white educated elites living in the Upper East Side have a disproportionate effect on the party. They are the people most represented in academia, the media, government, NGOs, etc. Turn on CNN and you won’t find many people on panels or hosting shows who didn’t graduate from college. Today’s newsrooms at most media outlets and many college faculties exhibit Kim Jong Un-like voting patterns for the Democratic Party.