You could be correct though it wouldn’t be very representative and wouldn’t explain the use of ‘previous ones’ in the 2 subscripts he gave.
Anyway it was just for discussion.
It’s silly getting all antsy about a fairly innocuous song that they’ve been singing for 25 odd years. Plenty of legitimate complaints to be made about the conduct of England’s fans; that song really isn’t one of them.
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At least we all have Qatar to look forward to…
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So we have one hopefully normal season ahead of us before it all goes haywire again to accommodate that shot show the following year.
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To me it plays into the realm whereby England claim ownership of football, as if it’s theirs, it’s English etc. Based on the scenes I’ve seen I would say that a few of those people buy into that idea. That idea grates with everyone else worldwide as it’s yet another example of that English attitude that still exists to this day.
I’m probably way off and I’m certain it was never written with that in mind but to me it appears to have been taken by that section of supporters and blown up by certain well known sections of the press.
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Yeh you’re right, you’re way off! It’s a song, no more, no less. It’s not aggressive or anti anything, it’s just a song. Jeez!!
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Had Euro 2020 actually occurred in 2020, England would have won. The defense would have had red-hot TAA and Gomez, the midfield would have had a red-hot Henderson and an in-form AOC as well. All of those guys were zoning.
Note that none of those English players have been truly zoning over the past season, perhaps except for TAA in late season, who was injured just before Euro.
When I say zoning, I mean being similar to Djokovic in 2015.
Thing is, I love how the lyrics of the song are very appropriate, and they actually make me sympathise much more with England. But as many have pointed out, most football fans don’t actually use it in that way, and instead it parlays into the self-entitlement that they have.
Again, they don’t have a monopoly over the self-entitlement bit, but the UK’s image in recent years doesn’t lend itself well to shedding that image…
I don’t consider myself to be self entitled, nor people I know who support England. And yes, we’re all from Liverpool.
After the the other night, I was going to stay away from TAN for a while and now I wish I had. I’m getting a bit tired of the anti English atmosphere on here. I’m off to watch the cycling.
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It does seem that every team in the world is allowed to want their team to win and cheer them on except England because that = arrogance and entitlement.
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That would be a pity. England has many flaws, but imagine a world cup with games at Anfield, Elland Road, the London stadia, Villa Park, Newcastle… it would be brilliant. I’d even take a few matches at the Old Toilet for the occasion! 
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I dont see it that way. Not when I see a whole load of England fans waiting outside a Wembley gate trying to kick the crap out any opposition fans that come out. Or I see the Foreign Secretary one week condone booing of players drawing attention to racism and then a week later condoning the very behaviour she previously condoned.
Sorry to disappoint you but English colonialism still runs strong and this crowd feeds into it and this has become one of their adopted anthems.
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I think you’re spectacularly missing the point.
No one thinks that England fans shouldn’t be allowed to cheer on their team, or want them to win. No one equates that to entitlement.
What people hear when England fans sing “it’s coming home” is a presumptuous entitlement suggesting that England have an exclusive right to win it and no one else. There’s a difference between hope and entitlement.
If you only see things from your perspective you’ll never understand that.
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Have you ever read the lyrics to Allez Allez Allez?
I don’t see how one is acceptable and one isn’t.
Yes. And I just looked it up again to confirm it.
One quite clearly says “we’re never gonna stop”, which implies that we will keep on winning because we already have a track record for doing so.
Another says “football’s coming home” as if they have an exclusive monopoly over football.
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I guess anything says what you want it to say as long it fits your agenda.
There’s about five people on here who are interpreting this song incorrectly. I cannot find anyone else who have considered anything but the intended meaning.
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I hope you don’t actually count me as part of the five. Either way you live in a very limited bubble if that’s what you think.
I’m literally trying to explain to you the perception that others have of England fans, but you want to stick your head in the sand. Of course you don’t understand, you don’t want to. You’d rather preserve your victimhood, and come on here and get insulted by things like this. You have great form for this, and if you don’t like it perhaps you should just stick to your own little bubble.
I’m not entirely sure what you’re talking about but perhaps I should. I didn’t think there would be this many intolerant xenophobes on a Liverpool forum who think it’s okay to tar an entire demographic based on the actions of a minority (which incase you haven’t seen the news the rest of the nation is trying to stand up against)
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I sort of get the point you are making, but this really is the equivalent of already intensely disliking someone and then getting aggravated by anything they do. There are plenty of reasons to dislike the fanbase that follows the england team around. The larger fanbase, and country in general, adopting a self-deprecating song about how the thing we invented and used to be the best at not belonging to us anymore, is a really bad one.
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