England National Team

Balague:

Let me say one thing about Tuchel and the criticisms.

England have decided to look into themselves with fresh (and experienced and international and determined and foreign) eyes.

Spain grew thanks to the influences of Dutch, Hungarian, Uruguayan, Argentinean, Welsh, English input. Some of those coaches became national managers (and it was not a scandal as we accepted we needed help to grow).

For starters Tuchel wil have no problem choosing players that fit a position and not depending on names.

That is a good start! šŸ“󠁧󠁢󠁄󠁮󠁧ó æ

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I dont know what Balague is talking about there. Sure, Spanish football in general has periodically taken big lessons from foreign influences, but their international team has only ever been led by someone who was not at least a naturalized Spaniard for a small handful of games in its history, and then not since the 60s. People will point to Kubala (ā€œHungarianā€) and Santamaria (ā€œUruguayanā€), but both of those are known primarily for their playing career in Spain, lived there long enough to be naturalized and even represent Spain as players. Kubala played more games for Spain than he did for Hungary.

I would be a lot more receptive to the arguments against Tuchelā€™s appointment if there were an English manager in the same tier.The last leading English manager was the late Bobby Robson and maybe Terry Venables? From time to time, a few hopeful ones appear, but either they never get a chance or they fail once they do.

Appointing an established foreign manager is by no means a guarantee of success as England themselves have seen, but itā€™s the most logical move at this juncture. Southgateā€™s limitations became all too obvious and he had the benefit of some really good players to go along with very kind draws in major tournaments. Tuchel may be a disagreeable character, but as a coach and a manager, heā€™s leagues ahead.

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I actually accept that argument. International football is a rather pure form of the game because you have to make do with the best that you have on offer in terms of the players, and you canā€™t just go out and buy a talent from overseas.

The same should apply to the managers and coaching staff but they donā€™t. And there is the rub. Every other nation can do the same so why handicap yourself.

However, I would like someone to ask why there are so few top English coaches. What is holding them back and what can the FA do about it. I expect that the answers will be similar to why there are so few black coaches, given that there are plenty of black players.

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Most people who work in the game would probably say they are impressed with the quality and depth of homegrown coaches these days. A lot of really impressive has been done over the past 20 years or so in this area so the challenge is no longer how do we create them, but what is the career path from where they have jobs to taking charge of a premier league side (notably, a different job than coach, even with the modern day structure of working under a DoF)? Prem clubs are looking at home grown coaches who either have impressive coaching credentials but no meaningful managerial experience, or at guys who only have experience in the football league. That simply represents a big risk when even relegation candidates have enough clout to go and poach a more established manager from an upper middle table Spanish or Italian side.

So I think your comparison to black managers is probably pretty apt.

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From my experience,

Iā€™d rather work under a clear structure with well defined terms.

The other option of being in a family run company filled with old boys and suck ups doesnā€™t appeal.to me.

Off the top of my head, the only current EPL managers who are English are Sean Dyche, Eddie Howe and Gary Oā€™Neil. Two of them are probably relegated escapee specialists (I know Oā€™Neil started with us but he mainly managing at the survival end of the league)

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Yeah, it isnt reflected in the current numbers, but it still feels like the most likely appointment for an English manager comes from one of two camps totally uninfluenced by this new breed of very well trained coaches - star ex players who are hired because of their fame not their credentials, and dinosaur fire fighters like Dyche, brought in to stave off a relegation.

Two of the clubs who came up last year did so with young well regarded english managers. This seems like the most viable pathway for new talent to get into the Prem, but these guys are still on a hiding to nothing with both expected to go straight back down this year. The chances of that experience being viewed as good enough to land them another job at this level afterwards seems small.

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I got a different issue

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Thatā€™s the image I was looking for!

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Ah see you got the US reprint for 2016, not the original edition.

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https://x.com/henningwehn/status/1846260738777600258?t=xWrLQ6fa2rTOsMZpREdDbw&s=19

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It is so juvenile of me, but I am looking forward to all of the gammons pissing their pants when he wins a trophy. Some of the shit kicking around is hilarious.

Schadenfreude is your friend.

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Nah.

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Did like how the Mail piece pointed out how much a disaster was and then also gave him 18 months to prove himself.

Like they have any say.

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Well, I heard on talk sport that it wonā€™t be a real English victory, just a victory with an Asterisk on it, and you will be laughed at and mocked forever for the fact that it was only possible with German help.

:see_no_evil:

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Exactly this.

He has my full support, if only to make these dickheads froth even moreā€¦

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tbh My head is about to explode after all the nonsense the callers are saying.

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What, this guy?

IMG_8589

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