While welcome, this has absolutely nothing to do with the Epstein case.
Billie Eilish made her comments in relation to the ICE raids.
Canât believe I only just saw this Epstein thread. Keep going my friends. The truth will out.
Amazing the mental gymnastics people come up with, completely deluded or just being bad faith. Either is typical for a Trumpist.
Even in the face of overwhelming evidence, theyâll start telling us how pedophilia isnât the same as ephebophilia.
Mandelson was brought down by rather plain scandals that wouldnât even scrape the surface today. Certainly nothing that compares to recent times.
We and it seems a lot of people are waking up to the fact that Mandelson was far worse than anyone knew.
This isnât Mandelson occasional mate of Epstein, this is Mandelson effectively acting as a double agent.
As for others everyone in those files needs to be looked at, there is a hell of a lot of links with Russia and populist governments of the right.
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Now that I think about it, there could be far more than meets the eye on this Mandelson issue. What is the range of possible incentives - financial, blackmail, etc - that would have induced Mandelson, who was a seasoned politician by the time of the global financial crisis, to send Epstein sensitive information and run the risk of being convicted as a spy? I would imagine the incentives would have to be pretty strongâŚ
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The obvious one is insider trading where millions were made by those with connections.
I think the police are looking into it. I hope so.
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I think Britain should be very grateful that a British PM who knowingly appointed an Epstein associate is in danger of losing his job, while an American President who actually was an Epstein associate isnât. American politics has gone to the dogs, and I actually think the nation is in terminal decline.
As for Starmer more particularly, it seems to me that Britons are very upset with Starmer as regards domestic policy and the British economy - more than on Mandygate. It was poor, poor judgement to appoint Mandelson (and it may be continued poor judgement to be keeping McSweeney). Nevertheless, itâs possible people upset over the economy and domestic policy issues have found a way to get at Starmer through Mandygate. I imagine Kemi Badenoch and all the Tory MPs would love to claim his scalp. Whatâs more, Labour MPs - with one eye on the Reform partyâs surge in the polls as well as the high-profile defections from the Tories to the same party - might also, in their own self-interest, be unwilling to go to the polls with Starmer at the helm.
Starmerâs enemies could soon outnumber his friends, if they donât alreadyâŚ
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Makes sense, hope they are.
Power.
Looking at the connections Epstein had, currying favour with him would give anyone connections to those with the power and influence to do whatever they want.
Why say this. It is a really cynical take, tone deaf and arrogant.
Makes me wonder which pile of poo the gadflies have moved onto nowâŚ
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Says it all on how they view the world doesnât it?
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Honestly, I think âthese peopleâ on this list probably all think that way. Sheâs just stupid and arrogant enough to say it out loud.
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From reading stuff regards Mandelson, and people are still digging and connecting the dots, it seems what is yet to come out fully, was that he was scheming/advising in how to bring down the NHS via Epstein, for the âvultures of the eliteâ that were waiting to swoop.
As for Starmer, and his reasons to appoint Mandelson, to me anyway, highlights what a crap prosecutor he must have been back in the day, if he canât even spot a crook standing in front of himâŚ
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Seemingly he was trying to shut down the UK press using a protocol usually reserved for those who are grieving after a death. Itâs in The National (which I donât regard as particularly reliable) but there is no reason think that this isnât genuine.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/25834517.full-secret-notice-peter-mandelson-just-sent-uk-media/
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Kind of drifting into UK politics here and our POTY may kick off as a result, but what bugs me is Mandelsonâs âdisruptiveâ influence was well known, and yet Starmer still had him circulating and influencing things in the party.
Did Starmer actually agree with him?
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When was this ?
She is making an important point. Epstein was a mover and shaker. He was either powerful or his circle had enough powerful people in it to provide a nexus to power. There is a lot of immoral behavior that would be overlooked by the typical power hungry person looking for a way into that circle or looking for to maintain their position in it. The same way people take speaking gigs in KSA or advisory positions with MBS. But that does not mean the average associate was overlooking pedophilia and sex trafficking because there would have been a big gulf between the worst of what he was doing and what people simply in that social circle would have known about. This is the point of the 2008 plea deal as it acknowledged only women of an age that would not have been illegal in most countries (including the UK). That would have made it in the eyes of UK law too dissimilar to someone like Hugh Grant.
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Seemingly in the last day. The National chose to publish the IPSO notice so that it is clear that he is trying to stifle investigation.
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