I feel like the same can be said for most of our squad… Which is pretty much why I don’t think we ought to be evaluating anyone on the back of that season (apart from Salah, who was basically one of the few brighter spots).
But what I was referring to was specifically that he gets more playing time centrally than on the wing, unless I’m much mistaken?
It’s the same conversations that are being had in the Origi thread regarding Shaq.
He’s had some great moments and been part of the CL and PL winning team. He’s not going to start many games in the coming season (or possibly ever, unless there’s another injury crisis).
Love Shaq , albeit he’s frustrating at times with his little injuries. If there are offers on the table that the club can accept, Klopp is fine for it to happen, and the player wants to go, then it can only be a good thing.
Allows the club to give youth and chance, and hopefully through the various sales of fringe players, bring someone new in. As mentioned elsewhere, Mane, Salah and Bobby aren’t getting any younger. Jota is a piece of the jigsaw going forward, and maybe add Elliot to that (but we’re seeing him deployed a bit deeper in pre-season). After that, it feels like we need to go and get someone in. Be that a younger player that isn’t the shiny new signing we all want, or wait till next season and go Mbappe etc.
The teams got to not only be progressive in it’s playing style, but also crucially in it’s make up. When there are opportunities to refresh things by moving fringe players, it feels like the club need to take them.
I disagree. Shaqiri hasn’t had close to the same amount of vitriol against him as Origi has had. And most people tend to recognise his contributions while also recognising that what we can offer him is limited, especially given his age. In his case, it’s more of not getting in his way if he wants a move, whereas for Origi it’s more of a get-him-out-at-any-cost.
They also happen to be 4 years apart in age, which means they are at different stages of their expected career span, with one having had significantly more injury issues and is reaching an age where he is expected to decline significantly.
I don’t like the way this is playing out. Italian club registers interest, followed by unsatisfactory offer, then he later saying he wants to play there.
Very Italian club moves, these.
I dunno, sounds a bit like the Virgil saga!
I was specifically focussing on the fact that both players will not break into the first 11 (without significant injury crisis) and would be best placed to move on if all a parties are in agreement, allowing the team to progress/grow. I don’t care much for the discussions in the Origi thread that focus on vitriol etc. I’m looking at it from a practical point of view - which I think was pretty clear from the rest of my post.
I have nothing against or for either Origi or Shaq. Clearly others do.
Has someone seen Shaq down at Blackpool? Assume he’s not tall enough to go on The Big One whilst he’s kicking around the theme park.
Experience no, but physicality?
Shaqiri is slow as molasses, always injured and can only manage 60 minutes at a lower intensity than everyone else (apart from Origi). Can’t see Elliot struggling to match that.
Based on the last one and a half seasons I’m not too bothered.
Wonder if the trajectory is set in a bit.
I’m half expecting and definitely hoping that by the end of the season this will be a contender for hall of shame. When Elliott and Jones are on short lists for young player of the year awards left right and centre.
Why? He’s only saying that Elliott doesn’t have Shaq’s experience, which is not debateable, and physicality, which is.
Then he said that Jones is unlikely to be used as a winger.
The following strikes me as something that will hopefully be looked back on as a silly statement.
If Elliott does go on to have a good season that statement can still only be seen as silly if we pretend it says something different than it does.
Get why he wants to go. Didn’t play much of a role here last season, should make a profit on him after a good Euros. Good business all around. Helps with our 17 non homegrown players aswell reducing that. Gives room for a signing. Hopefully a striker.
“Has yet to show” - hard to argue with that. Doesn’t for a moment suggest that he won’t in the future.
Kid just turned 18 towards the end of the season. He could be the best player in the world in the future but he wouldn’t have shown he was yet a better back up choice than Shaqiri by this stage. I find it a funny way to determine if a young player is good enough to play a part. In fact it’s a vicious cycle, under that justification you wouldn’t play him as the back up meaning he still hasn’t got the experience in the future so you still won’t play him. Nobody, not even Christiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi, proper “best in the world” contenders are passing such tests. If before you’re 18 you’ve got to have proven you’re;
I’m a Shaqiri fan, wanted him here for years, but he’s not great enough to completely block the pathway into the first team for a lad who has shown such amazing potential for greatness at such an insanely young age already.
Has he actually done that?
Short answer yes. People go on about the likes of Mount, Sancho and Foden but by the age Elliott is now they’d done next to nothing. Sancho the most after his first promising but limited season in Germany. Elliott played a full season last year impressing at a quite average Championship Side that probably would have been relegation threatened without him. Year before he actually played for us when we were a proper dominant side something none of those others did at the same age at their clubs. Season before that he was setting youngest player records at Fulham in the Premier League getting the interest of all the top clubs but, being a Liverpool fan, he only ever intended coming to us. Potentially very very special talent and already a real good player. Going to surprise a few people in his 4th season as a senior player this year. At age 18/19!
Sounds a lot like this this guy to me
For his own sake, he probably needs to leave. He is a good squad player to have so if he wants to stay, fine. But if the price is right, it makes sense for both sides.