Frustration, disappointment and a wish to point out the error he and others are making in suspending their moral compass in exchange for oil gold. Of course I am assuming they have a moral compass. Maybe they don’t.
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I share your frustration, but where do you draw the line? Should we refuse to play Newcastle? Should we all stop paying taxes? Selling an unwanted player at a high price doesn’t seem the worst of the options available.
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OK but it has nothing to do with us.
Do we not sell him then?
Then have everyone moan when he has another poor season and we sell him next summer for £15m?
It’s more frustration at his decision and the other people who have individually taken the decision to go there. All are extremely wealthy people by any reasonable standard. There is only one reason they have gone…pure greed for money. They could have accepted other offers which no doubt they did get.
I do recognise the dilemma for the club though.
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Putting us in the same basket as NC who are totally funded by SA and already beginning to do some dodgy deals just because we sell a player to them, a player who wants to go there, is pure BS IMHO.
Can’t stand anything to do with the regimes in the Middle East… but they are on the global board of play and it is difficult to get personal points of view across to anyone or anything that would make a big change. In the meantime we seem to have to deal with stuff that is put right in front of our face, and vent our feelings similar to what @Rambler has done above… so well done for doing that.
It is said, many drops make a shower - and anyone with an opinion good or bad should, voice them on forums like this one - it gets stuff out in the open and leads to further debate rather than remaining in the shadows
Re the Fabinho… Football is a business, and because of that, money talks. Another way to take receiving ‘blood money’, is to immediately move it on to another club in exchange for one of their players - we don’t really benefit that way, nor do we lose out…!
We could also think as a club, are we not better getting rid of people with a low moral compass… let all the snakes go and gather in the one pit, so to speak…!
It’s far from ideal but you can’t conflate the club with the morals of the individuals going there. If they want go earn a fortune and can park their morals then that’s their choice.
We’re doing what’s best for the club. You’d rather be playing there than here, fine off you go but we’re doing you no favours to make that happen. If that means making them pay through the nose then so be it. But we’re not out there twerking at them hoping to cash in on players to boost our coffers, these are clubs that have come for our players.
We took Abramovich’s money in the past for Torres and gave him money for Daniel Sturridge. The moral lines of who we do business with were crossed a long time ago but aside from refusing to do business with certain teams, what can you do? You then end up with a squad poisoned by resentful players.
Our own shirt sponsors are less than squeaky clean when it comes to their business dealings too so we’ve hardly got clean hands here when it comes to being an upstanding club driven by morals and values.
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Very well said. We have to come to terms with the fact that this club has become a multinational company without much morality in terms of whom it is dealing with. We can regret it, and if things become too scandalous, protest about it, but the current state of our club merely reflects the general evolution of top-level football.
I’ll never respect Fabinho’s choice though. He can get lost in the Arab sands as far as I’m concerned. Same goes for Gerrard and Firmino (who was one of my all-time favourites as a player for us).
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The last time I was emotionally attached to a player was Luis Suarez. I forgave him everything, and still he left me!
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Which leaves you with 2 options, you let that heartbreak or resentment anger you more and more each day you think about it because you feel you were entitled more from him out of pure jealousy or you leave that all aside and you appreciate and adore the player they once were for you despite what they go on to do in their life and career which is how I personally feel about Stevie, about Robbie, about Bobby and Fab. What they do now, what they’re doing now or will go on to do…none of my concern.
Good on him for his commitment to the club and his years here.
Bad on him for his personal views and blasé attitude towards a Saudi move for the reasons stated by Sweeting.
Think that’s fair and balanced. Bye bye to him and let’s look to the future.
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Given the club’s current avatar on Twitter, taking money directly off this team is a hell of a conundrum. I don’t care but then I’m not keenly advertising that I’m on the virtue signalling bandwagon. The hypocrisy will be epic IF it happens.
You’re missing the part where a section of the fanbase has exonerated in advance any wrongdoing by the club.
He left me and I still forgave him!
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That’s an unfair portrayal of Christians. The many I know care very much about alleviating poverty, and it would be easy to list numerous examples, some of which I am personally involved with, both close to home and overseas.
If we are happy to dismiss Alisson and Firmino as Christians, and laud the manager, we must realize that Jurgen Klopp is a devoted Christian too.
As for politics, Bolsonaro is not my cup of tea, at all. He is part of the authoritarian move sweeping across the globe in numerous nations, and to my mind, it is heading in the wrong direction.
With that said, Brazilian citizens like Alisson and Firmino have the right to vote for who they like.
Perhaps they look at the UK and are incredulous that the country voted for Brexit, shrinking its GDP and relevance at a stroke. Maybe they don’t understand why a blustering buffoon was voted in as Prime Minister, with no ideas in his head, other than to lie out of his arse and feather his own nest, while shagging half the women in London and having who knows how many kids?
It’s tricky when we get stuck into the politics of a footballer, and assume reasons why people vote the way they do. My instinct is to be protective of people like Alisson and Firmino. Good/great players who have represented LFC very well in wearing the shirt, and never an ounce of trouble for us.
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Am I right that you live in Canada? Certainly North America? In both instances, people who live in glass houses 
Regarding your intro, they are Christians and they care about alleviating poverty. The two are not always linked and you can be one without the over.
PS - as for doing business with the Saudis, I see both sides of it.
The leadership of the country is loathsome. I’d like to think, if given a chance, that the people would want to modernize in a more progressive direction. That remains to be seen.
The difficulty is that so many things are intertwined, and when governments and companies routinely do business there, it seems naive or quaint to expect football to be the one industry that is willing to draw a line.
I hate that the various authorities in the game have allowed this, by not showing the necessary leadership in protecting the game, setting forth good rules, and then having the backbone and ability to enforce them.
Midwest America. Grew up on the Wirral. Went to Uni in the UK, married and had two kids there, wife is American - she went to Uni in the UK and we lived and worked there for years before moving to the States 14 years ago.
Mea culpa, thought you were further North.
So about Trump…
Not sure what any authority could do.