General world politics chat

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For the best.

the US can’t be trusted anymore. Kiss good bye to QUAD. I’m all for India to not get involved further in US’s meddlings.

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Will be of interest how this develops - if indeed it does. In interns of numbers it is potentially an alliance that much more mutually beneficial than say with the US or Europe.

This kind of news makes one realize how much Trump and the idiots around him are on self-destruction course for their own country. I don’t care for them one jolt, as it is self-inflicted, but as we already know, the problem is that they are taking us Europeans and the rest of the Western world down with them.

It will be hard for us all to resist it, and will definitely need a lot of creativity and vision from our leaders. Not sure they have it in themselves, but who knows…

First step imo is to clearly distanciate ourselves from the US and become as independent from them as possible. The fools have taken control of the asylum over there. Maybe something else will follow after that, but until that moment, I wouldn’t trust the US government with anything they say, nor anything they do. They are liars, and thus fundamentally untrustworthy.

Of course, that doesn’t mean that Putin, Xi or Modi are more trustworthy than Trump. They are in the same despicable category: autocrats and tyrants, wherever you look.

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Not a fan of Modi but please. There’s levels in this. Modi didn’t start a never ending war with Ukraine. Certainly doesn’t do genocide like what Xi does with the Xinjiang province. Neither is he like Trump.

The only similarity that Modi has with Trump is that both are right wing populists with bigotism thrown in. Rather think that Trump has stolen that playbook from Modi/Erdogan.

That’s why I put Modi in the same basket as Trump, Erdogan, Netanyahou etc. Elected within a democratic system, but doing their best to transform it into a right-wing authoritarianism, and if they succed, into a tyranny.

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And again No. You have little understanding of Indian politics or its democratic system when you say that. It’s a coalition based parlimentary based system and as much as Modi tries to make it into a personality cult contest, It’s mostly decided on state level issues. National level issues matter little to most Indians.

Modi’s had 3 terms as PM so far and this term , his party had to rely on external partners to form the government. If anything , shows that his cult is fading.

The only thing common with Modi and the trio you mention is the bigotism + right wing populism. He’s not taken the country down the authoritian route. The nature of Indian democracy proves that to be a big hindrance.

I’ve defended Modi so much that i feel very dirty. Time to wash my fingers.

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And if Modi hadn’t distanced himself from the US regime, the opposition parties would have a field day.

I appreciate that India is a federation of states, and that limits the central power. However, look at the US, who have a similar organization, and you see that it isn’t immune to becoming a tyranny if things go as they currently do.

I hope as much as you do that Modi will be ejected as soon as possible, fingers crossed. But three mandates is already way too long for a well-functioning democracy imo. From where I sit (admittedly a long way out), he seems to have done a lot of damage already.

That’s more to do with the lack of a credible opposition leader. Congress keeps propping up Rahul Gandhi who doesn’t necessarily have the appeal among the common voters that Modi does.

The opposition needs to get their priorities right of they’ve to mount a credible challenge on Modi and BJP.

Ha, kinda funny reading that, 16 years of the Kohl and Merkel regimes

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Honestly now: it was way too much and did significant damage, wouldn’t you agree?

Depends on who you’d ask, I’d personally agree. Would you have preferred a potential Obama third term?
I can see the argument for term limits, but as long as the opposition gets a fair shot in free elections I don’t see how it’s not democracy working.

In hindsight?

It’s not an alliance. It’s mutually beneficial trade.

If it benefits both countries and isn’t simply an exercise in debt trap diplomacy, I’m all for it.

India won’t trust China fully ever again. But they probably trust USA even less.

Yes, obviously. If he had been allowed and willing to do a third term and beaten Trump. As hypothetical as whar might have happened with less time for Kohl or Merkel.

Obama having a third term wouldn’t have hindered the orange monkey to come to power eventually.

I think that a functioning democracy should have a constant influx of new ideas, thus new people coming in and getting their chance. In that sense, the US, with their limit of two mandates, do it right. Their institutions are generally right btw, but it’s other problems which are shaking their democracy right now. Their two parties are fossiles, that’s the problem. No new blood in form of new ideas.

Anyway, as you can guess, I don’t think that there are many well-functioning democracies in the world. :wink: Actually, no-one is truly well-functioning imo, but still, there are different grades.

The nature of democracy is that people have to live with the government that they chose. The shit only hits the fans when it’s the US elections. Because of the importance (undue or otherwise) given to the US.

Any other country. Trump would be behind bars and unable to contest elections after his insurrection stunt.

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Any other country?

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