Harvey ELLIOTT: 2021/22

[Quicksand]

@ILLOK

@Quicksand

@ILLOK

I think you’re all in the wrong here if I’m honest.

No one should be stating comparisons with Greenwood but pretending like all the stuff Harvey has got up to in the past is just teenage immaturity makes me feel more than a bit uncomfortable.

We’ve been turning a bit of a blind eye to it, but it’s there. He needs to change his behaviour and the sooner the better.

What did Elliot do that was beyond immaturity?

Abusing his girlfriend for following his teammates on instagram, trying to sell his matchday shirt by pretending it was for charity via his girlfriend (which she also got abuse for), thinking it was funny/appropriate to share racist messages from his mum.

I would say much of that, whilst crass and stupid is also immature.

[Wilkored08]

Hendo…have a word…

[Quicksand]

@Wilkored08

Hendo…have a word…

Yep.
Way to go with this.

[Iftikhar]

@Wilkored08

Hendo…have a word…

Take Milner along

[Zoran]

Mille will have a word with Hendo about having a word with whoever.

[Kopstar]

@Mascot

While Zoran has perhaps gone a bit far, I do understand his point about Social Media. The lad seems very easily triggered by rival fans and he just needs to be able to leave it. He is a professional football player, and he’s going to have people baiting him and goading him. Walking away/logging off is something he needs to start doing.

Somebody needs to have a word…

@CanuckoLFC

Liverpool hire therapist to help players deal with vile online trolling | Daily Mail Online

[ILLOK]

Right, but it’s not really an excuse.

Making a video calling Harry Kane a ‘mong’ is something that can entirely be put down to immaturity, I’m sure most teenage boys have made similar jokes before.

Aggressively calling your girlfriend an idiot, a joke, stupid and a wierdo for following your teammates on Instagram is potentially worrying behaviour that shouldn’t be ignored. As far as I’m aware he hasn’t shown any contrition for it (happy to be proven wrong) so to see him goading United fans about Greenwood and saying that he (Elliot) “treats them right” is not a particularly good look given the context of his previous behaviour.

[El-Cuchillero]

Ouch. I hadn’t seen any of those screenshots. I always liked him giving United fans shite, but he clearly needs to sort himself out first.

[Quicksand]

I am not saying ignore it.
But my original point stands. This is not in the same league as Greenwood. Harvey can learn, grow up.

[mattyhurst]

He needs some social media guidance, no point in making comments about something that’s about to go up in court.

[rab]

Strikes me as the type who, for his own good, shouldn’t be on social media at this point in time.

The confidence and defiant attitude is part of what makes him an exciting talent is also what will get him in trouble on and off the pitch.

We saw a glimpse of it in the confrontation in League Cup final. On the pitch, he’s got the likes of Milner to pull him away. On social media, he’s on his own. He’s also still got a bit of the fan about him. Needs to realise the player comes first now and really do a bit of growing up and focus on his football.

[Kopstar]

Can you imagine Gazza or George Best being on social media back in the day? Christ.

People will make certain allowances for age, rightly, but not when behaviour is repeated. His agent should step in and have his SM accounts professionally managed and Harvey should spend some time with Ishbel Straker.

Shit. I’d be in her office all the time

[Hope.in.your.heart]

The lad needs a right telling off, that is all. No excuses for this shite.

Hendo and Millie are clearly required, and if it’s not sufficient, let him feel the full force of Klopp’s anger.

That should be enough. The lad needs to focus on his football.

[Sweeting]

@Zoran

Yeah, maybe not delete his accounts, but perhaps have some talks with him how to use it more smartly. He’s a kid, needs to learn.

I don’t look at it so dramatic anyway to be honest, “us and them”. What Greenwood did wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it was Elliott.

You’ve just accused one of our players of being a violent rapist.

[CanuckoLFC]

One of my concern is that Harvey is a bit of a repeat offender in social media gaffe, even after he had been told off and promised that he has learned and would not do it again.

[Zoran]

You can read it like that, but all I’m saying is that it can happen anywhere. Not that Elliott is or will be. Some YNWA or JFT97 stuff will not guarantee me that he’s an absolute angel and will never do something stupid. No place is immune to some stuff like that from time to time. Flanno had his own incident, we shouldn’t care what their name is. Yesterday it was Flanno/Adam Johnson/Greenwood/whoever, tomorrow it might be another player (young or mature) who you’d never think would do something like that. Unfortunately. We just don’t know them that well I’m afraid. And of course there are different levels of incidents. That’s all.

[redalways]

If you’re trying to make the abstract point of any young footballer could well be an immoral rapist, then perhaps.

But you’re coming into the thread of a specific player in response to a specific incident, and now you’re saying there’s no link between the two, is it any surprise why people are jumping on you?

Just admit that you’re wrong and leave it there.

[Zoran]

I’m not one of those who says “they’re all the same”, they’re not.

But what I’m saying is that we on the outside have so little evidence about their behaviour to judge who is more likely to do it and who is less. Even people close to them don’t know everything, let alone us fans.

I bet Greenwood was portrayed as this golden boy before his shocking act. Shit happens everywhere, I didn’t predict that it will happen with one of our current players, but that it did in the past and it can.

What is there to admit? English is not my first language, but I believe I was clear enough what I wanted to say. Perhaps it was the wrong thread and people are not in the mood for that stuff in a Harvey Elliott thread, that certainly wasn’t my intention. Sorry about that.

[Sweeting]

Right but you can say that about anyone for anything. Humans are capable of terrible behaviour and seemingly good people are just as capable as “bad” people.

When you specifically refer to an individual and say “I wouldn’t be surprised if…” Then you’re crossing the line into making an accusation.

I know you’re not someone who usually dives in with this kind of take but your wording here was well off.

[Kopstar]

Can I just reiterate that comparisons with Greenwood in this thread are making two assumptions. Equating Elliott as being of a similar mould to Greenwood is the only one that is being countered. The first assumption, however, is that Greenwood has behaved in a certain (illegal) way.

Please bear in mind that Greenwood has not, at this stage, been convicted of anything.