I’ll have a bitter please...It’s the Everton thread

I do

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I get that people who have no love or affinity for the city will see it in purely football rivalry terms but that isn’t me. Liverpool needs two succesful clubs and the Bramley Moor development is badly needed…

I have watched derby matches since we came up in the early 60s and I would hate to think I won’t see another one. The golden era was when both were challenging for honours and it would be great to see that again.

For me the city trumps any petty football rivalry.

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Nothing is stopping Everton from spending a few seasons in the championship.

They have no chance, anyone who’s watched them for more than 5 games can tell you this or could’ve told you this months ago…they’re simply not good enough to compete in this league. They cant’ score goals…when was the last time the lowest scorers in the league stayed up?

So you think if they get relegated they will not get back up? I would love them to go down for a couple of seasons. :grin::grin:

I fear they will be like Leeds and be down there for years. They will no doubt lose players in the close season…Pickford…DCL and a few more and they could well sink into the bottom half of the championship. My other concern is what will happen at Bramley Moor. Will they be able to finish it?

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And they’ve got an FFP charge hanging over them still don’t they?

I think the biggest issue for them is the ownership. We all know there were some shady connections of Moshiri’s in the background helping to fund things. If they go down I doubt the owners would be willing to move on as it would be a huge financial loss for them to sell them as Championship club. But their fans don’t seem to have any faith in them being able to steer the club back up if they do go down.

There’d be a exodus of players for sure so anyone remotely decent will be gone and who knows what kind of money would then be available to replace them. Do they even have anyone competent enough to be trusted to rebuild a team on a shoestring? And could they even be under a transfer embargo due to the FFP issues?

The there’s that stadium that needs paying for. Is Moshiri going to dip into his pocket to pay for that himself because the search for external funding doesn’t seem to be going well whilst they’re a PL club, can’t imagine it gets easier as a Championship club.

I think they could be bang in trouble if they go down and the current board stays in place.

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I would love a couple of years without those two games a season in which our players are physically assaulted.
If those derby games were football matches, as in the eighties, then ok, but they aren’t. One team plays football, the other tries to injure their opponents.
Who’d really miss that?

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Why does Liverpool need two “successful” clubs?

Hardly anyone is going there to see Everton are they?

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Better Liverpool than Manchester.

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Same here. I’m dreading those games because you know they’re going to treat them like cup final but without any personal dignity. They are here to prevent us from winning the titles (they succeeded in 2018/19 and 2020/21), while they usually lose to our rivals. For that alone, I won’t miss them, and when you think of the likes of Funes Mori, Pickford and Richarlison… But I still think they’ll make it, like I’ve always been convinced that Man City would win PL and CL this season. It’s that kind of season, unfortunately.

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I think @Rambler makes a valid point. It’s just a huge shame that Everton fans have become so toxic. I’d give them a lot more sympathy if they were. They certainly shouldn’t be in the position that they are. Their ownership has been, to quote them, “a disgrace”

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The toxicity in some of the fans will flush alongside their Premier League place. They might rid that with a bit of Championship time, and come back a better Everton. Might do them some good, forcing the club to sort out the shit behind the scenes.

They needed a real hard look at their scouting 4 seasons ago.

The Bramley dock is being redeveloped anyhow it’s just it would be home to a Championship club.

Anyhow I’m pretty sure they will survive again and get another DVD out of it.

Indeed, I agree but I’d also say it goes far wider than that. The whole method in which they tried to move the club forward was always on the shakiest of foundations.

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Far too early to say these turds have finally been flushed. All it takes is a couple of freak results in games involving the bottom 5 and literally any one of them could go.
Next 3 for these sees them playing sides who still have something to play for although perversely it’s the City game that concerns me the most given it falls between their 2 CL semi matches. They may also have the title more or less wrapped up by then so I’m hoping Arsenal keep winning to keep the pressure on the cheats.
Leeds worry me greatly as they are fucking dire and it’s hard to see them winning another match. Forest are showing some fight but have hard games. If I had to put my house on it I’d go for Southampton, Leeds and Forest to drop with these cunts staying up with the lowest points and goals tally ever.
I don’t get any Red wanting these to stay up. Even less those saying they’d miss the derby, the most toxic game in English football on and off the pitch. I sometimes think I get wound up far too much by such an insignificant club but then I see and hear the nonsense these morons come up with and I realise it’s on another level completely and makes me think some of them genuinely need help.
As for the city, these bring nothing to the table with their insular, inward-looking ‘local club’ attitude and that’s not going to change just because they play in a new stadium. Their horrific fanbase have no interest in what impact it will have on the city, their only interest is trying to get one over on ‘the redshite’ by spouting shite and calling the river the ‘royal blue Mersey’ etc and laughably claiming our heads have fallen off over it all. I don’t know one single Red who gives a fuck and I can quite safely say if we’d ever moved to a new ground that would have been it for me.

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I beg to differ.

With their perilise financial position, relegation would mean pretty much a full clearout of the current squad, and their FFP under the Football League rules would still be looking very questionable I am led to believe, so they could easily find themselves in back to back relegations

They will beat Bournemouth on the last day and stay up.

FFP in the Championship is far more demanding, if they were to face action on that in the summer it could be issues.

Parachute will help but a season of missing out then the issues increase.

But I expect somehow they will survive.

They did beat a fancied Newcastle side last season to turn it around, no protestors this time.