Marc Guehi (CB) Crystal Palace

No one should be forced to wear the rainbow armband or anything rainbow related on them if they don’t want to. Stop pushing this crap down our throats. If you want to support anything rainbow related, awesome!! If you don’t want to support it, awesome! Move along. Just play futbol.

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Too a degree yes, having visible representation is useful, but it alone is not enough. More needs to be done to follow up which is one of the key reasons that taking the knee has lost it’s meaning, there was no plan to follow it up with any sort of meaningful plan.

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Who is forcing anything down your throat.

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Agreed. I don’t mind at all putting off signing Guehi until next summer but that might be to replace Konate if he doesn’t sign a new deal or maybe Gomez. So no need to keep the space clear in the squad.

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Anyway back to football. People clambering for him. What’s the response after Saturday when he gets turned inside out and ripped a new one by Wirtz and Ekitike?

I think most people are just clamoring for a central defender over Guehi in particular or liking an extra homegrown player but if he is our defense, then we don’t have to worry if he is weak against Wirtz and Ekitike!

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Someone forcing something down your throat as well.

Very odd term all things considered.

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Interestingly enough the ‘Jesus loves you’ written on the armband could be taken as forcing a view onto others as well and unlike with rainbow armbands, I’ve met a lot of similar Christians on the street that stop me to preach.

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Also in the context of a premier league football game against Arsenal, the ‘I love Jesus’ line may in fact be considered an actual lived expression of rainbow in action.

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Not even Arsenal fans love that Jesus.

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I wonder if ‘Bin off Jesus’ would sell well?

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exactly. mere symbolism for the sake of it is meaningless.

Except here we all are, knowing what the rainbow badge stands for and seeing how it elicits a certain type of reaction in a certain type of person.

Not everything needs to change the world, sometimes it’s just about acknowledging and showing acceptance.

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If you cannot entirely solve a societal problem all by yourself then you should do absolutely nothing is a surprisingly common argument one that is so lacking in substance.

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I’m just saying that more needs to be done apart from mere symbolism. Even from footballers. Especially when you see Partey bend the knee and then be accused of the other stuff.

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That if he were on the same team, he wouldn’t have to worry about facing them?

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The thing is, if some people lose their shit because of a pair of rainbow laces or something, can you imagine how they would react if an actual LGBT individual was at the match.

I can see that some players who are members of certain religious communities might get it in the neck if they show support for LGBT people (or other minority groups). You would hope that they have the balls just to say that their employer doesn’t discriminate against people and leave it at that,

The Guehi thing is actually interesting because “Jesus loves you” actually points out that Christianity is fundamentally not against LGBT people. He was cautioned on it because it was a religious message. What he actually thinks is another matter, but I’d hope it was pointed out to him that it’s best to keep schtum regardless.

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Guehi is a good player and I hope we sign him.

I suspect we can quickly move on an alternate late in the window if Palace won’t budge on the price, and if that happens, it strengthens my belief that we will sign Guehi either this window for a reasonable price, say £35M not £50M, or we are happy to wait until next summer and sign him in a Bosman.

There has been a lot written around the armband stuff. If we take Guehi at his word, that it was a message of love and inclusion, fine, draw a line under it and let the authorities do their job, which they did, with a warning.

My take is it is better to not ‘piggy-back’ on one campaign to insert your own messaging. That opens a door to lots of potential interpretation of motive, and even abuse. The rainbow campaign is simple, at heart. It is a message of inclusion, saying everyone is welcome to enjoy the game we all love. And specifically, given the under-representation and still closeted culture in football, it is saying to the LGBT community, have a seat at the table, with everyone else. You matter, we see you, come on in!

That’s a good thing, and should not be made more complicated than that.

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https://x.com/TheAnfieldWrap/status/1953502397319254475

“I’ve youtubed the ass off him” :joy:

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