forgive my being late to the party, was away all weekend. just watching the game now
so in first minute, I see Saka offside which leads to Martinelli goal.
14th minute I see a Gabriel handball that doesn’t get called in box.
what the fuck is going on?
This what we all want to know…other than VAR that wasn’t working, so it was a guessing game, and and officials that dare not give a decision to us…its all a mystery to us…
Istanbul.
I watched a match review on YouTube from Kelly(King Kenny’s) daughter and Ian wright this morning.
She said in there that she had spoken to Adam lallana this week. And, he had mentioned that he had spoken to alot of the Liverpool players over the summer and they were all extremely disappointed and down after losing the league and champions league. It seems to have broken some of them.
And, this basically very much emphasise the point alot of people have raised here… that the problem is not physical, It’s more in the head.
Last season’s end has mentally affected the team and our team really needed a lift in the summer those 2 big losses.
As I said earlier in this thread, This is where I feel that the blame lies with everyone… the players, the coaching staff and equally the Owners.
It seems Klopp being an extremely positive person that he is…thought that the players will get over last season’s disappointment …like he usually does. But, that has not been the case and the supporting coaching staff also failed to identify that feeling from the players and help Jurgen there.
After analysing our games in more detail, I can see, it is not a question of being physically drained. They can still do those sprints, they can still do the press…it’s just they don’t have the mindset to keep pushing again, and were hoping for someone to come in and give a lift. It’s as simple as if …they are drained mentally, they were hoping new signings will help them take some load off and push them this season.
This is one of the reasons, guys like Diaz, Nunez and Cavarlho… instantly bring energy on the field…because they have that desire and mentally they want to prove themselves more on the field. The top players in our team …their light of desire has dimmed a bit after last season.
The ownership clearly cannot escape the blame either. We just don’t have money to compete with the likes of united, chelsea or city and now even Arsenal to some extent. They needed to show ambition towards the team during this summer. We should have gone out and buy atleast 2-3 world class signings to give everyone a lift.
This is where I feel for Darwin as he has been portrayed as some sort of Messiah, while he is still not world class bracket.
@Iftikhar , Sorry for posting this bit late from your post. I somewhat feel the pre season issue you raised might have been one part of the problem, but I don’t think it is the key factor.
I am more inclined towards the fact that the problems are in the head. Pre seasons are decided months in advance and the coaching staff should have and would have been wise enough to devise a plan for a shorter pre season. And, it’s not like we went to US, that would have been more draining considering the time difference and all.
I still very much believe in this team and there is no better man than Jurgen to take us back from doubters to believers again.
We just need to inject guys who can bring that new energy in the team. Unfortunately, using the same squad of last season will not miraculously change our fortunes, when there seems to be something affected in their head.
And, I really hope we can give Arteta a devastating defeat in the return leg at Anfield and I still bet come the end of season , we will still finish above those guys. And, all those Arsenal fans I am tired of listening and watching over the last 2 days of how Arteta is the new Klopp…may better eat their words.
Sorry for the long post everyone.
Nah…Arteta will always be Peppys puppet…
Fraudiola was probably passing some tips to Lego man before the game
I think I said just after the game I could give you four games in which the better side lost just from European Cup finals.
Instanbul, Athens, Madrid, Paris.
that ball from Jota to Bobby for our second was a beauty!
Don’t forget “that magical night” in Barcelona in 1999.
The problem with such a view is that it views the damage as permanent, but this is not necessarily the case. If not for the stupid World Cup, they might well have had the rest they needed to bounce back, instead of playing catch up.
No it isn’t, but that’s the way the laws are being applied, and why var didn’t call Oliver over to review his decision.
No, it isnt the way the law is applied. Oliver would have given the penalty if he felt the contact was material in Jesus being able to play the ball properly. Is he a moron who doesnt understand in real terms what that means as he never played football to any meaningful degree? Sure, but his decision is a judgement call. Football is full of those and VAR is explicitly not to be used to over rule those (because doing so would be fucking mayhem). The only issues for VAR to get involved in are the factual ones (where an error would be “clear and obvious”). In this case, that would limit it to whether there was contact. No one is denying there was, only that it was trivial, and that isnt part of the VAR mandate to over rule, nor is calling the ref over to the screen just to get a second look.
To anybody who is not fucking blind it was clear and obvious.
Sunday is Darren “no balls” England the VAR again, can’t wait …
The biggest example of this was the 2001 FA Cup final. Arsenal absolutely pummelled us and we beat them in 7 minutes.
After 2 Henchoz handballs went unpunished
I respectfully disagree and agree. There was contact. Oliver believed it was a foul, no doubt helped by some wonderful theatrics.
VAR can intervene if it the numpty behind the screen thinks there’s an obvious error. The numpty can’t overule because there was contact. There was no obvious error.
Therefore, any contact is a foul if you can get the referee to believe you were fouled. Hence my original comment.
If you’re saying refs can be conned into a giving a pen under trivial contact - sure. If you’re saying the correct interpretation of the rule, and the ones ref use, is any contact is a foul, then that is not true.
But you have consistently mentioned this bias, and correctly so.
I have as well, and will continue to question decisions that cost Liverpool.
For doing so you are labelled a conspiracy theorist, or gross generalisations are applied to your opinion.
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Or random occasional decisions that we got are thrown out. Some of them in games we won on a canter.
One day, and I hope in the next few years these cheating cunts will be exposed. City have FIFA and UEFA and PL in their greasy pockets, what price a few corrupt refs?
But someone will expose this, its bound to happen.
Oliver is developing a tendency to allow vocal players to dictate his decisions. He gave Gomez a yellow because Arteta told him to.