I’m saying that any contact can be made into a foul and VAR wont over rule it.
It’s subtle but that’s what I’m seeing. It was an incredibly soft penalty at best. Did it cost us the game? I cant say, many on here saying we didn’t deserve to win the game but we’re clearly not getting any breaks from anywhere at the moment.
what about when Robbo assualted England Captain Sir Harry of Kane’s studs with his knee?
What about it? He got a red card.
What about the fact that Kane shouldn’t have even been on the pitch after nearly taking breaking Robbo’s shin?
I think the @Redbj comment was tongue in cheek?
read it again mate…
Stephan Henchoz handballed one off the line in the 2001 cup final.
So I suppose they do even themselves out.
Not sure if video has been doctored by an Arsenal fan or its the real deal… but apparently, hitting his chest first was the reason no penalty was awarded…!
But its still an extended arm…
Anyway it’s against LFC , so it doesn’t matter…next…
I get you.
What fans seem unable to accept is that VAR is not being used to get the decisions right. That is an impossible goal and based on a faulty premise that subjective decisions can be right or wrong. Accepting that there will always be differences of option on subjective issues, they dont want it used to rereferee the game, to just tell the ref that some other ref thinks they made a bad decision. Instead, its use is limited to correcting a ref if their decision was based on factually incorrect information.
That means, that depending on what the ref’s decision is and how that was reached, VAR is often going to be restricted from doing anything. Oliver’s two penalty calls on the weekend were both examples of that.
That was what Gabriel claimed at the time, but I dont think that is the official reason. I don’t see any evidence in that video that it did. And if that was the reason for Oliver’s decision (as opposed to simply thinking it was in too close proximity to do anything about it) VAR would have absolutely had to have been involved and I suspect the delay of the game would have been longer than it was while that was resolved.
We were screwed over.
Saka offside for Martinelli goal.
Gabriel handball not given.
Martinelli bad foul on Trent, could easily have seen red.
Partey bad foul, grapple, kick, on Diaz. Could easily have seen red. Got nothing. Our man injured for some time now.
Soft penalty that Jesus milked, when it could just as easily have been a free kick for him kicking Thiago.
Oliver looking like the game was refereed giving them everything and us nothing.
Arteta in the refs ear too.
On and on it goes.
The planning and preparedness for our midfield woes has been done to death. We misjudged it and hopefully we will put that department right as soon as we possibly can.
Beyond that, after going so close to immortality last season, we have mentally drained players. They are tired, maybe not so much physically, but if anyone has ever been mentally drained, there is a very real sense that you can’t do what you physically could do before. You are in a funk. It passes, and if circumstances do not allow, you just have to keep going until it does. We are in that stage right now. Playing and doing our thing. But it’s not our best and there’s a fog that needs to clear.
They all actually need a bloody good holiday and a couple of top signings to boost the group.
My hope is we stay close enough to top four when the World Cup hits, and then regroup, make a good midfield signing in January, and go again to finish top four this season.
The ultimate would be to improve enough after the World Cup to win the CL again.
Agreed and the statement I’ve quoted above is one I absolutely agree with and what I believe VARs role should be. it should be a tool that the referee has at their disposal to reach the right decision. Every decision should be the referees and only the referees.
It is clearly not being used that way and I find that frustrating. Firstly, refs do not appear to be asking it for assistance often enough and secondly it seems to jump in and out based on some pretty rank rules / guidelines.
If your standard of refereeing is poor to start with, and you then are unable (rules) or unwilling (ego) to fully utilise the tools at your disposal you’re going to get shown up pretty quickly. That appears to be what is happening.
What an incredibly condescending post.
Seriusly, your schooling of the masses in the intricacies of VAR is tiresome.
The vast majority of “fans” understand that Oliver, and VAR fucked Liverpool over on Sunday.
Look at @RedOverTheWater post above, it sums up the frustrations of supporters on how matches are being refereed and how VAR is actually another weapon to screw us when required.
?? No evidence that it hit his chest first? Of course it did. Sure, minimal contact, but the change in spin of the ball, the movement of the shirt, it absolutely came off the chest first. I agree with you though in that it played no part in the decision making by the referees. I am not sure how a ref could see that chest contact with the naked eye in real time plus as you say no VAR delay took place.
It made no difference though as the ref made the decision in line with the rules (balancing unnatural position with proximity) . That’s not to say I won’t be upset if next match day they make the opposite call for an almost identical situation.
If the referee is too stubborn to run to the pitchside monitor in front of a screaming crowd… Why not get them a smart watch of sorts they wear on their wrist with a small screen…! Take a look at the incident to get some inkling of the matter, if something looks a bit iffy, then run to the pitchside monitor for a clearer view…
Football has moved on in leaps and bounds the past few decades, the only things stuck in the nostalgic past… is allowing these numpty’s to continue wearing the sheriffs badge with a final say on all things on the pitch…
Makes sense to me. And now Klopp himself seems really down and irritable. Need to get the “doubters into believers” feeling back. I do feel that a couple of big signings could help with this. Or at least 1 who hits the ground running like Suarez did
Refs do not ask VAR for help. That is not the protocol.
This not the issue. The issue is the scope of incidents where the protocol allows for a pitchside review are limited to only ones where there are factual errors, which precludes the majority of the contentious decisions. I think there has only been 1 reported incident of a ref refusing to go to the monitor since that part of the protocol has been implemented in the Prem
Correct and I see that being part of the problem.
Why oh why oh why…did I always think that VAR is there to help the refs, when they can’t make a decision…
Probably because like many Reds
You Walk on With Hope in You Heart 