They’re also in a lot of cases making a judgement on the height of the vertical line, which is increasing the margin of error when it comes to these “armpit offside” calls vs the simpler foot on the ground. Also, working within the limitations of the equipment producing the image, a pixellated 2D image of a 3D scene. Do we want VAR to try to call ever tighter decisions, or accept that there’s a margin within which it’s too tight to accurately call, too tight to purposefully call, in which case why overrule the referees?
Don’t get me wrong, I support VAR being used, and hey I’d love to see the technology prove it was so accurate it could determine that Salah was onside because he breathed in just as a ball was played, but that’s nonsense; and the way VAR is being implemented (not VAR itself) is turning many football supporters and players to call for it to be scrapped.
Not quite pedantic enough, a majority of those with both the right to vote and who chose to vote did. Nowhere near a majority of the country, just a bigger minority than those who could be raised to vote against.
Not arguing with the result now, just your level of pedantry
As I think Mascot said, use the clear and obvious line on all decisions including Offside, if you can’t tell without drawing some lines then give it, it’s obviously not given much of an advantage.
VAR has seriously ruined the game for me and taken out the enjoyment, so sick of them intervening on everything. Rab you said this way earlier about losing the joy.
Let’s not forget the incident with Robbo wasn’t even called out by the ref so he made no judgement to call it a clear and obvious error. Go back in time to VVD VAR issue and the whoops I didn’t know I could call out the goalie after the fact shit and realize this whole system is subjective shite and poorly administered rules at that. The shit with the fucking ball sensor not working that ruled off a goal was another one for me too. Well it’s only happened once, sorry! When did this reliance on technology get so pervasive?
Yes WTF?
Do you really believe content and context is important to the media, other clubs supporters and joe public?
Did you really miss my point?
Klopp didn’t just look frustrated he looked angry, it didn’t look good to me.
Just look at all the coverage this is getting. It’s bonanza time for Wilder!
For what it is worth… and certainly not to band any criticism about ‘willy-nilly’… but I thought Minamino had a shocker of a game yesterday…
When he landed, I thought the CV he brought with him for being industrious, tireless and thorn in the side of any opponent, led for exciting reading…
However, watching his performance as closely as the various TV monitors would allow… Beginning to wonder if his ‘jack-in-the-box’ busy busy busy manic running style… actually brings disruption to our other boys in the team… bringing an unease to their mindset and overall play.
Maybe I am just being too harsh here in my assessment…Yet the frenzy and frenetic pace he attempts to play his own game… poor ball control, rushed mis-placed passing, constantly running into defenders etc… seems so UN-Liverpool like…!
While I feel he may eventually settle into life at Anfield… My opinion is that he will never rise above a bit-part player at best, ma even struggle to make the bench… Unfortunately, after yesterday, I certainly won’t be looking to put his name on the back of my shirt in the near future.
I don’t think the general public give an actual fuck about squabbling managers as it’s all part of the media fuelled soap opera,saying what’s best for your team and players will always get others snidely crying foul over perception of unfair advantage,Klopp knows the game and knows people will take it out of context if it suits them but that shouldn’t stop him from saying what he thinks is fucked up.
Everything Klopp is saying is correct and is exactly what Pep and Ole were complaining about earlier this season. Remember Ole’s outburst after the Everton game. I find it strange that those two have now gone quiet on the subject and are letting Klopp take all the flack.
Listening to Lineker and the two dicks he had on with him last night, they just don’t listen or understand what Klopp is saying.
Their attitude was, ‘we wanted to play football everyday blah blah blah! The clubs take the money, so just get on with it”. That’s as maybe, but Klopp’s argument is the deal with Sky and B.T. was agreed before a fucking Global Pandemic!! Resulting in a fixture pile up to complete the season, with the knock on effect of this season starting late and further fixture pile ups. Why is that so difficult to understand?
As for Wilder, according to Klopp, he was one of a few dissenting voices at the managers meeting, so I can’t see how his childish behaviour gets him any mileage.
There is much more knowledge around than ever before but there also seems to be a complete lack of common sense. I have seen articles bemoaning the fact that there are more pens this season than ever before, articles that there are more injuries than ever before yet the media and pundits and those who are given a platform to spout their imbecilic views somehow cannot seem to connect the dots as to why this is.
I’d honestly like to gather all these cunts in a room and fuc… nicely explain to them why they mental capacities are less than a newt and that they need to be fuc… I mean educated on the error of their ways so that they provide a meaningful contribution to society.
For years and years people complained that the ref didn’t have the opportunity to review a decision on the pitch. Now he can and guess what, people are still not happy and want to go back to guesswork and glaring errors.
We’re not having decisions assessed by mm not metres, that makes it more accurate and so better. As for penalties. They’re big decisions. I want a ref to have the best camera angles to have a quick check. Or go back to elbows and blatant pulldowns going unpunished.
Last season, the rivals called us Livarpool. This season we’re getting a little more of the rough but it does even itself out over time. To think otherwise is to think that the league is being corrupted against us which TBH is a pile of fetid dingo’s kidneys.
I’m not going down the ‘everyone’s against us’. I hate it when other fans do it. But VAR is a complete farce. Not least for the disallowed Mo goal. Agree you just can’t celebrate anymore. It feels like their checking every tiny thing.
I take a slightly different view to many. VAR, in my opinion is not the problem. The rules that it’s trying to manage and the process is wrong.
Taking yesterday, the Salah offside is stupid. Mane is fine. The Robertson one from a VAR perspective is also fine but in what world do the rules state that incident is a penalty. For once the process worked and yhe decision made by the on field ref. But if the rules now deem that is a penalty the game is screwed.
3 times yesterday, they had the opportunity to make a decision, but no…let’s go to var…so Mateys thinking like that means you’ll soon be out of a job…use VAR as a last resort…Mo’s goal, no-one that I saw claimed offside…for the pen, the ref had made his mind up…no pen…so stick to your decision…not to some f***ker in a room somewhere…
The problem is that Kelly works for BT so he can hardly be relied upon for an unbiased view in his defence of BT.
Likewise Linker; he is also employed by BT so his can hardly be considered an objective, disinterested view. And in trying to deflect the blame onto the PL, saying it is the PL that chooses which teams play in which slot, lineker is being disingenuous (at best); it is the broadcaster, not the PL that chooses which team plays in the 12:30 slot as evidenced by this tweet from Glenn Moore, that lineker re-tweeted.
