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So because another ref made a bad decision that was publicly criticized by the bosses, tierrney should have made the wrong decision?
As for us never getting them,I take it no one remembers this one
This one was probably correct, but could have been disallowed and â guarantee you villa fans are still salty about it. Wha5 was the difference? Today, he was directly in line with the line of sight and in Domâs he was just far enough to the side. So not really arbitrary
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Good boy @SBYM. Fighting the good fight, keeping this thread on track.
Just watched the highlights. Both disallowed goals should have stood.
Gakpo - no foul by Darwin
Elliott - Salah was pushed
That Dagobert guy on their left wing looks tricky.
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Brilliant.
You present evidence to suggest Liverpool get the odd decision, and then state that the ref was âprobably correctâ.
Biased as I am, I note many many people in agreement on both decisions last night, and on the Odegaard handball on Saturday.
Are they all wrong?
Overall last night was unnecessarily in the balance given the two disallowed goals, and failure to capitalise on complete dominance.
Gakpo and Gravenberch came in for a bit of stick in the match thread, and its a bit over the top.
I thought Cody was good overall, and Gravenberch is still adjusting and has potential to be a very good player.
Anyway, overall its a good win, despite the cuntishness of the officials.
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They were being criticised before the game even kicked off. There are legitimate criticisms of both players but unfortunately some have already gotten to the point of their commentary being made in bad faith.
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I agree. Itâs gone too far in both cases.
We are supporters and should support our players instead of constantly criticising.
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Time is on their sideâŚ
Gravy needs a full pre-season training to get him somewhere near ready for 90mins
Gakpo needs to nail what his role is, and what is expected from him teamwise
They are two additional and very useful numbers in bolstering the squad⌠we are at the halfway stage and top of the league - wouldnât bother me one iota if we continue to struggle and stagger over the finishing line to be crowned Champions⌠This is a relatively very young team we have on our hands
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Gakpo on the left wing seems to fit Nunez while Diaz as no .9 seems to fit Jota on the LW
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I think Klopp needs to decide what Gakpoâs role is. If it is as a utility forward, then fine, but he needs to train on that basis.
Youâre avoiding the real issue here. Salah is offside because he was literally pushed into an offside position, and into Traffordâs eyeline, by a Burnley player. And not just jostling in the box. He sees what going on, sees the cutback, pushes Mo Salah offside, and then appeals for offside.
A good referee looks at that and gives the goal.
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Yep. Itâs the difference between justifying a handball is not a penalty because of a âslipâ and not deciding someone is not interfering with play because of an actual push.
Iâm sure the rules can be literally applied âaccuratelyâ (but subjectively) in each case, but the lengths some of the refs / VAR go to in order to justify their decisions (to me and now many others) strongly implies their intent.
This to me is the ironic value of VAR.
It does not necessarily make the game fairer in the way that it should (as some refs / VAR abuse it), but it does make it more transparent in this wierd way I hadnât expected it would (even though no one is allowed to implicitly call it out it is at times blindingly obvious they are abusing it).
Take Shearer on MOTD last night âSalah got pushed into an offside position and thatâs why it was disallowedâ.
No comment all round. But itâs a fact. And you know they saw it and decided to ignore it.
You also know they looked at the Odegard hand ball and decided to make up a bullshit excuse for not giving a penalty.
We can all draw our own conclusions now.
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Said this for a while, Iâd rather it remain than be got rid of. At least now we know itâs not just terrible errors in some cases.
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For the sake of fairness, weâve done that too, ie pushed an opponent into an offside position and got the offside call. What would make it interesting for me is what would happen if the opponent went to ground.
Quick Question: When did Burney get promoted :0)
I agree. The problem isnât VAR, itâs the people using it.
With the push on Salah, it looked like the var video started after the push, so it wouldnât have been noticed by the ref. Mo should have been in his ear telling him heâd been pushed.
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The Echo are reporting the reason that the Gakpo goal was ruled out is that it wasnât clear and obvious that Tierney got the on field call wrong. In there opinion wasnât enough evidence to suggest Nunez didnât commit a foul.
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Yeah, so the human who looked at the video of Darwin not committing a foul didnât find enough evidence of Darwin not committing a foul.
Thatâs human error right there.
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VAR is bollocks mate.
Donât care whoâs to blameâŚthe people using it blah blah blah, it goes hand in hand for me and itâs not worth it. Use it for offsides only or bin it off.
Ruling out both goals yesterday even though 1 possibly was the right call is a kick in the bollocks, without VAR at least we get one of them given (even if it was the wrong 1) which then cancels or evens the other out.
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