I think the two kicks bit is actually a large part of the reason. The guys must be mentally burnt out by ‘almost’ but not quite winning 2 PLs and a CL. You just can’t expect the same players to continually repeat superhuman efforts season after season when they are getting pipped by teams who cheat so effectively off and on the field. It was clear to me that the Cheaty v Aston Villa result gutted the boys and the effort made the CL much harder than for Madrid and the net effect of them both was that we needed to really ‘refresh’ the squad for mental as well as physical reasons. Now we are left with a much bigger job this summer
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Just to make a point our VC is James Milner isn’t it?
I would seriously consider Robertson being looked at in that role going forward, though he has not been the best he has more than not still delivered this season especially when he has had some rest.
Yes Milner is the VC, we then have a leadership group - Hendo, Milner, Van Dijk, Robbo, Trent, Alisson.
Personally I think we need new blood in that group, standards have slipped on their watch.
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I’d remove half of it to be fair.
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As with everything on forums/social media, it’s way over the top. He’s been a great player and captain, and will be remembered as club legend for his service. But clearly in decline physically and can’t lead by example anymore with his work rate. Sad in a way, but same happened to Gerrard and every player eventually. I have no doubt that replacing him with a younger, stronger version will improve us
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Listen, the PL win could have happened, but let’s not pretend we were ever really in control of the situation. We were in 1st position for exactly 1 match week, in MW 6. For the entire season we were either in 3rd or 2nd spot.
In reality, not overcoming City who were leading the league pretty much the entire season should have caused far less damage mentally than the CL which was much more within our control.
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The berating is fine. The shoulder barge is what pisses off quite a few people here…
Not what happened.
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They’re both at it which is fine players express their frustration near enough every game nevermind 1 of this magnitude with a lot at stake (players views), we don’t know exactly what’s being said…looks like Hendo is saying something like “what do you mean my ball?” but Hendo shouldn’t be in Ali’s face like that especially after Ali’s turned away and heading back to his goal line.
are there other types of games now?
the yellow for Fab in particular was everything about why i sometimes cant be arsed with elite level football anymore…seriously bad call and the commentators just discussed whether the trailing elbow was malicious…’
grow a set and call it out…disgraceful decision
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There’s only one fool there and it’s whoever that twit is.
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It is, Lee Mason should have booked him for it.
I will be in a minority on this but I thought Jota played well. People bemoaning his goal threat but was Nunez a goal threat? Or Bobby? Salah when he came on?
Jota linked play well and didn’t cough up possession much by actually being able to find another red shirt.
I see it as a way of educating myself on the finer details of the game. Last night I watched the match then came in here to learn what Klopp should have done in-game to rectify things. Some are wasted on here.
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I have a genuine question, all the moaning about our regular players being awful (and God knows they have been at times this season) did any of their replacements do any better?
Personally i don’t think Joe did better than TAA (maybe defensively but cost us a lot in attack), Matip was worse than VVD, Jota not better than Mo, Tsimi was worse than Robbo (almost worse than me) Jones didn’t do much etc. I’m trying to think if any of those players have earned the right to be on against Arsenal instead of the player they replaced.
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I thought Jones was good. Off the ball he worked really hard, which is against the narrative some have of him, which made him by far the most effective presser in our midfield. Good in possession and set up a decent chance for Jota in the first half. Could do with investing in a pair of boots with studs though.
It was a better CM performance than I’ve seen from Elliott recently, in my opinion.
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We really do miss Trent though. For all the justified criticism of him against City, he still created the goal. It was the same when he was terrible against Palace, only the goal was heroically blocked by the captain.
Gomez played well at right back. Think it’s time we try to accomodate both of them in the side.
Being an armchair football manager ( and having no real clue 
) Why wouldn’t we try Gomez at right back and Trent on the right side of midfield?
He is ultimately more mobile and fitter than both Henderson and Fabinho combined, he can sit there and play the sort of passes we need to unlock defences.
What have we got to lose?, 4th place is gone, we are fighting for pride this season and he can do no worse than the current crop in midfield.
Clearly not that easy, but why not
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Jones did seem the best of the replacements but i wouldn’t be surprised to see someone play behind the front 3 such as Bobby or even Gakpo next game. I’d just like to see us try a 4213 formation with Darwin as the striker. Once Diaz is back i’d like to see 4 of Bobby, Gakpo, Diaz, Jota, Nunez and Mo running at the opposition, doubt we’d be much worse in midfield in any case.
As for getting Joe behind TAA (which is what i’m assuming you mean Illok) i just don’t see it ever happening. Klopp has resisted that since he’s been here (or he’s tried it in training and it hasn’t worked).