Deemed? It wasnt even considered! Thats like saying VAR missed it so its all ok its been missed nothing to see here.
Would you like some dressing for the salad?
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Even worse. FA stated Both match officials and VAR saw the incident !!!
So no action will be taken
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Ergo, the action should be taken against the officials in an ideal world.
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Referees seem to be fireproof, no matter how incompetent or how many times they fuck up. Apart from being dropped for a weekend, like Coote was, can anyone remember any significant disciplinary action taken against a referee?
Something doesn’t add up here. In the hours following the game reliable media were reporting it as follows:
This tweet was sent in response to the news not to retrospectively sanction but this reflects what the media were reporting from the Premier League.
Now, they’re saying that the match officials DID see the incident and deem it not worthy of a red card. Or are they saying that the match officials are ‘deemed’ to have seen it? How are they assumed to have seen something? Does that mean they are ‘deemed’ to have considered it too? Surely it’s got to go beyond simply action that is included in a replay available to the officials for it to be precluded from retrospective action? Surely the officials must actually have turned their minds to the issue for it to be incapable of being dealt with retrospectively?
This feels very much like doublespeak to me.
FA: It’s on the video so they must have seen it at the time so therefore can’t be reviewed.
Q: So why didn’t they think it worthy of a red card?
FA: Because they didn’t consider it.
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This is a clear case of circling the wagons round an official you are ever likely to see.
The officials cannot have simultaneously seen the incident (in order to deem no retrospective necessary) and not seen it because they were focussing on the offside. This is absurd.
Coots and (possibly Oliver) will be quietly removed from the firing line for this, and be back in a couple of weeks.
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This is an interesting thread but I’m just pulling this tweet out specifically about margins of error. Interesting that the PL asked for a greater margin of error (as I’ve called for) but FIFA refused. However, in the Netherlands they have been allowed the 10cm margin of error the PL asked for
https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1318147154268008450
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…and pigs might fly
There was no way Adrian could have come for the cross, andre gomes makes sure of that, but I do think he could/should have done better. He just doesn’t position his hands correctly.
As an aside, and just for you football purists out there, this is a demonstration of a perfectly executed “Double Dunk*” by keane and mina, on Fab & Bob. 
Not that I’m doning my petasum stagni, of course. 
The fella ringed in blue is someone called michael oliver, evidently lost in thought as he plans a trip to Barnard Castle.
*A manoeuvre named after the very personification of fair play and Corinthian standards, duncan “never knew his father” ferguson.
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Are you a goalkeeper?
He was poor on the first goal. Thats my view.
He has had good moments in a Liverpool shirt, but the defenders dont trust him. He has huge boots to fill stepping in for Allison, I grant him that.
That’s a good replay of the incident. I hadn’t seen that in this detail. For me both Keane (pulls on Fabinho’s shirt inhibiting his ability to get off the ground) and Mina (climbs on Firmino) both commit fouls here. Rarely given, of course, but fouls nonetheless.
You can see Adrian has an ok position but his wrists/hands are just too weak. He’s got previous of this - he’s just not strong enough. Why is he literally flapping at the ball? He ought to be pushing out and up with solid hands. On reflection I think Alisson and quite a few other keepers get more on the ball here; probably enough to get it over the bar or away to safety.
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They use hindsight to cover up the decision making process and hide behind technicalities. Go back to Jon Moss in that stupid Spurs penalty decision.
In that game a couple years back, PGMOL released a statement straight from the Ministry of Truth.
Goalkeeper? No I’m an old man sitting infront of my computer. 
I also think his execution and speed was poor. He had to be in a position to be on his front foot to parry the shot. It’s physics his backward movement (which is correct to get back on his line) means he can not get the power needed on his parry. So his decissions and execution were slow (that said i think many a goalkeeper even top notch ones get caught like that).
The thing is as the video above shows is our defense was poor as well.
Let’s also acknowledge that after Big Virgs exit the whole team looked nervous it took us a good 10 minutes to get a grip after that (we had even been playing with 10 men for a while and there was confusion.
I just don’t think this instance is one that proves or should be used to signal poor goalkeeping we’re shit at defending corners even with a healthy Big Virg on the pitch.
To claim the defenders don’t trust him is complete horse shit. Surely they don’t know him (communicate with him) as well as they do when Alisson is there but to claim they get so affected as not be capable of playing football anymore is rediculous.
As for Alisson he’s not so great at defending corners either, we as a team are weak in that domain. I have seen Alisson do really foolish shit at corners ‘probably because the defense make him nervous’! 
(sorry couldn’t resist).
I’ve explained it twice now. Don’t you understand anything?
Sorry, I rarely read beyond the first line of your posts. No offence but I’ve found it’s for the best.
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It goes through his finger tips because it comes at him too quickly from too short a distance to get his hands up high enough in time.
For me, Adrian’s part in the Keane goal is not a mistake. Ideally he would have saved it, and some goalkeepers may have managed to get a stronger hand on it to tip it over the bar, but it’s not a mistake to concede a goal from a firm header at such close range.
If we are interested in apportioning blame, then Adrian gets a lower percentage attached to him than the two defenders in front of him, who were both quite weak. They were muscled off it and barely got off the ground to attack the ball. Yes, a slight pull, so the ref gets some blame too for the non free kick, but defenders have to be stronger than that. Then also, if we must apportion blame, how did Everton get a corner? Was that cheap?
If you want to go down a path of apportioning blame for goals that are conceded, you have to start with 100% and divide it up between the culprits. Sometimes it is one glaring mistake that takes the lion’s share of the blame. In this instance, the “mistake” Adrian makes is minor, with others more at fault for the goal.
But we are all talking about Adrian, which adds some weight to the notion that his cards are marked, due to previous.
As a comparison, let’s consider the second Everton goal. Mane’s stupid and unnecessary flick, not taking care of the ball, is where it started. No tackle coming in midfield exacerbated it. Trent
allowing the cross to come in aided them in setting up a glorious chance. First defender getting under the ball and also second defender having DCL get a run on him was a mistake. And the whole situation of having a shorter defender mark a tall striker made a goal almost certain by that point. Divide up the 100% for a sequence of errors.
Nah, sod that! Adrian should have been more commanding in his box and come off his line, leaping like a salmon, or at least Grobbelaar in his pomp, to pluck the ball out of the sky safely into his arms. He’s a witch! It’s all his fault!
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But we don’t play without a goalkeeper, we play with one. It’s almost impossible to stop a shot on goal at any level of the game and despite anyone’s best effort it is going to happen at some point whether we like it or not and when it does happen, as it inevitably will, that’s what the goalkeeper is there for.
This argument about Adrian is getting silly. He is patently not good enough and the mistake being made is one where pointing out his deficiencies is now perceived as a witch hunt when really it’s just a spade being called a spade.
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Like all reds I can’t wait for Alisson to get back!
My view on Adrian is he’s a back up, and has flaws. A couple of mistakes have cost us, for sure. I didn’t see a legitimate goalkeeping mistake in either goal we conceded against Everton. But if we want to go down the road of apportioning blame, others were more at fault than Adrian, for both goals yesterday.
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Sorry, I keep watching the gif that Lowton Red posted and I disagree. His hands are already at a good height the moment the ball leaves Keane’s head, they barely need to move at all. [The ball goes almost straight towards his left hand] In fact, it would have taken him less effort to move his hands and keep them strong than it did for him to literally flap at the ball.
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