Post Match: Everton v Liverpool (EPL 17/10/2020 12.30pm)

That is honestly fucking madness.

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Nope. My opinion, perfectly sane thank you very much :rofl:

To go further:

It’s a header, hit straight at where his hands are. He’s not cramped or in any way put into an awkward position. He just needs to meet the ball with strong hands. Heck, I’d fancy saving it from Adrian’s position more often than not. It’s coming at him quickly but it’s directed perfectly for a keeper to make a save, it’s only the pace that is an issue. If you’re saying that a decent keeper doesn’t save 90% of shots hit straight at him providing they come at that pace then that’s your opinion but I disagree.

xG on that shot was 0.13. I think that supports my argument that a decent keeper would be expected to save it 9 times out of 10.

Soccer-blogger has it at 0.15.

http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2020/10/17/xg-everton-liverpool-1-35-2-65-october-17-2020-expected-goals-shots-map-efc-vs-lfc/

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We dont.
Anyone arguing that Adrian was not at fault for the Keane goal is not a goalkeeping expert.
You are correct, thanks.

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Adrian is a mediocre back up, wish we had better, you can tell how nervous he makes our defence. A speedy recovery for Alisson.

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When Alisson is back…
he needs to marshal that defence like he has never had to do before… he has had his annual injury/holiday… his hard work starts now! We are depending on ya…!

If Adrian saved that header 8/10 times, he’d be another Emiliano Martinez. First choice at a bottom half team rather than a backup for us.

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Aston Villa have a 100% record and are above us :thinking:

Not when Martinez moved.

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I’m not sure I follow your point. If Adrian saved that header 8/10 he’d be good enough to be first choice at a bottom half club? So presumably a decent keeper does save it that often and a really decent keeper saves it more often?

It’s worth noting that Martinez was, himself, a second choice keeper at Arsenal. As is Dean Henderson now at United. Or is he 3rd choice? Is Adrian better than Danny Ward?

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Ha! That memory was like a fingerprint on an abandoned handrail.

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And anyone apportioning the blame to Adrian, while overlooking the weak defending in front of him, is piling in too much on the goalie.

The conversation could easily be about Fabinho getting outmuscled by Keane, such that he could barely jump. Yes, there was a slight tug of the shirt, but that was very minor in comparison to what defenders routinely deal with when defending a corner. Fabinho wasn’t at the races in his 1v1 aerial duel, leaving the goalie horribly exposed.

If it is legitimate to say Alisson may well have saved the header, then it is certainly in bounds to say Van Dijk would have dealt with the cross much better than Fabinho.

But the conversation is all about Adrian. Just seems a little unfair to me.

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Haha…Bob Mortimer doesn’t get quoted enough

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And I keep on banging about that being exactly why there is a goalkeeper. Football is about goals and shots on target will be conceded. It’s a simple fact of the sport. Why Adrian is being defended and the defenders vilified to accommodate that defence is beyond me. The point being, when the defence is breached is when the goalie earns his keep, not for sitting on a deck chair and expected every single thing to be mopped up in front of him. Football does not work that way.

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It isn’t all about Adrian though. There have been a number of posts commenting on Fabinho and Firmino not being strong enough on that play. They were fouled though so, you know, some mitigation - but they should have been stronger.

I don’t see why that deflects from Adrian’s role in the goal though? Yes we should have defended the ball better but equally Adrian ought to be stronger. It’s right at him! If Adrian was simultaneously being fouled then perhaps he’d have some mitigation (as Fabinho and Firmino have) but he wasn’t.

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xG on the Keane goal was between 0.13 and 0.15 so clearly the statistical models expect Keane to score from there only 13% to 15% of the time. So why are there so many people baulking at the suggestion and saying some of us are insane to expect Adrian to save it more often than not?

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Football is a collective, and they all have to do their job.

If there’s a glaring error, like one or two Adrian has made before, then yes, there’s no real defending that. Bad mistake, of course.

But this isn’t in that sort of category, even if many are talking about it like it is. At that point, in the interest of fairness and backing him, I’m inclined to point out the shortcomings of others in the team.

Still, it’s a minor point in the grand scheme of the story of the match. Van Dijk’s injury and the ref bottling it, and VAR not working, both on the thuggery and the chalked off Henderson goal, will linger in the memory much longer.

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The xG on the Keane header adds another layer, so fair play for bringing that into it Kopstar.

My eyes tell me it is not a mistake, as such, but he might have done better.

(Along with a few others!)

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Expecting the goalkeeper to do his job though, is a wish too many it seems. And we’ll just have to be happy with it you know, because that’s what everyone says and he’s the best we can expect to get. Fuck me.

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We may improve upon Adrian as a second choice if and when he leaves next summer. I was happy with his contribution, as a back up, last season. Then Atletico happened and it was frustrating, as while all goalies can make mistakes, the best usually don’t make their mistakes on the biggest stage.

Still, you back your man. However, since then Adrian has been iffy, and I think we can improve on him.

As for what we do right now, with Alisson out, the choice is Adrian or Kelleher. So far Klopp has been selecting Adrian.

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He did do his job on other occasions!
It’s not that he’s the best we can get, he IS the best we have when Alisson is out. The club chose hime as he was cheap. We as fans just have to get on with it, as does Adrian, until the club decide to change it.
Yes the club could have got better but they didn’t probably because they had spent buckets loads on Alisson. Someone should ask Klopp.

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