Post Match: Everton v Liverpool (EPL 17/10/2020 12.30pm)

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I’m backing away from this conversation for now, as the points are all made and I don’t want to keep going and risk frustration from other good reds on this board.

The common ground I can get on board with is that Adrian might have done better to save that header from Keane.

Where I’m a little at odds is in being willing to say it’s a mistake, as I don’t see it quite like that.
And also, where I’m a little at odds is in a sense of fair play, as I think Adrian’s part in the goal being conceded is overstated, in comparison to the culpability of others.

Not a hill to die on though, so peace and love to all!

Oh, and I hope Pickford steps in dog shit wearing his best shoes tonight. And has a bad pint that gives him the trots for a week. I can’t quite bring myself to wishing worse harm on him though, just assorted stuff like this.

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We’ll, well, well, flappy has no charges to answer as reported by the FA…yep show your true colours…90% of all goalie/football and ref experts say it was a foul and dangerous play and he should have been sent off…but what do they know, the FA know best…the reason for no sending off(in my opinion) was to early in the ‘derby’ game and would have caused a higher level of tension throughout the rest of the game…the ref caved in!!!

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Literally no one is remotely stating such an expectation.

Expected goals models the general situation, not the execution. The complement of those stats does not state that the keeper saves THAT actual header 85-87% of the time. It says that 85-87% of the time someone with that chance will not score, with there being a wide variety of factors contributing to that, only one of which is that the keeper manages to save it.

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Precisely why I didn’t suggest that the keeper saves it 83%-85% of the time but if it’s only 13%-15% expected goal I’m going to imagine that the modelling factors in the probability that it will be saved and that it’s likely to be high.

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Don’t forget the crowding of the GK by two eversmall players to stop him jumping to catch the ball

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What would you say are the percentages from that situation that the header goes over the bar, or wide…less than 10% perhaps? Which still favours the keeper to save a header that is straight at him.

Fabinho was poor on the corner, but the keeper must expect to be tested, must make a decision. It wasn’t to his side, it was straight at him.
One firm hand parries it.

And to be fair, he is as entitled to criticism as anyone
If he plays well on Wednesday we will say so, most of those critical of his performance on Saturday. You are going on about “piling on” whilst you are excusing poor play to make your point.

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Don’t mind admitting I am genuinely struggling to stay interested in the sport of Football, the authorities and powers that be almost seem intent on destroying it. From the corruption surrounding the awarding of World Cups, the continually moronic international friendlies during insanely packed schedules, the complete lack of follow through on clubs flaunting FFP (which they no doubt bribed their way out of) and now the absolutely disgraceful implementation of VAR, it’s no-longer an enjoyable sport to sit and spend 2 hours watching knowing there is going to be a game changing fuck-up. I am absolutely certain there was an agenda against us on Saturday, to lie and bullshit and get 2 completely different stories about the challenge being checked and then to come to the conclusion that it wasn’t a blatant red card absolutely screams corruption and I will die on that hill.

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Hear Hear hear

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https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2020/10/19/21522765/bayern-munich-english-referee-michael-oliver-atletico-madrid-champions-league-liverpool-van-dijk

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I’ve heard all sorts of horseshit today in defence of Coote. “Game was too big for him” and “he didn’t want to over-rule a colleague of higher standing”. Some of it from our own supporters on the Radio Merseyside phone-in.
Why not call a spade a spade? The bloke’s a fucking cheat.
No doubt it will all be brushed under the carpet now, LFC will do nothing in protest of his obvious bias against the club and he can feel free to fuck us over again at the next opportunity.

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Seriously look at the comments on this…

This is why twitter is a cesspit of hate re football.

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I love all that about Robbo,it’s when he doesn’t play for your team it becomes irritating.

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This is horrible. Thiago could have been left with a broken leg there. I didn’t realise at the time how bad that was. :flushed:

It’s not only a bad tackle, it’s a malicious attack on the health of an opposing player. That deserves more than just three games out imo, especially if the player has already done such things previously.

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I’m a little bemused at the continued dissection of Adrian’s performance. And yet no one is looking at how those opportunities were created.

Everton’s second goal was a pretty massive balls up defensively down our left side (again). The corner, was again players not adjusting quickly enough.

But it’s all Adrian’s fault. Personally I thought we were really sloppy defensively on both counts. Maybe Adrian should have done better but I don’t think that that should cover over, or deflect blame on the outfield errors leading up to those goals. There were a couple of other instances too. Richarlson hitting the post for example. Let’s just give James all the time he needs to put a ball into the box and on to the head of an attacker.

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Even though the tackle was extremely dangerous, this screen shot is a little mischievous, because Richarlison does not even contact Thiago with his foot, as the shot suggests. If you watch the full video his foot pulls out downward and the contact is made by his shin to just below Thiago’s knee. Still dangerous, and Richarlison is still in flight allowing his full weight to come down on Thiago, but not quite as malicious as is being depicted here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpgwlFEIV8c

This is nevertheless a minor point within a more substantive issue; namely what is not being even mentioned in the media, where a derby game turns into a scheme for all out assault on a rival team. Struggling to recall a worse example.

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‘I’m not the kind of player who’d deliberately injure an opponent’

Some footballers like to tell themselves this, and in the cool headed atmosphere off the pitch, it’s probably true. But it’s how you behave on it, especially when you’re frustrated and pissed off. Rooney was like this. To be fair, Gerrard had a bit of it in him as well.

Richarlison has seen Thiago absolutely lording it over the whole midfield, wondered why none of his team are getting to grips with him, and decided to take matters into his own hands. He’s lost control, gone in way harder than is reasonable for a player looking to remind an opponent he’s there, and nearly snapped Thiago’s leg in half.

By the evidence of his short career, he’s definitely that sort of player.

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The take I have on the incidents is two-fold…

  1. Flapper panicked at the sight of Virgil about to slot the ball home and with his lack of goalkeeping ability he would have little chance of saving it… instantaneously seeing the morning headlines again about how crap he is decides to take Virgil out as the better option before ball flashes passed him…
  2. Richarlison pre-match was obviously thinking they were riding the crest of an un-beaten wave and they had brought their best team forward to out-play us and beat us convincingly (think Villa)… only to arrive very late in the game with the mind-set of being truly spanked by the sublime, silky skills, movement and light years ahead set-up of this Liverpool side… At 23yrs of age his career is going absolutely nowhere… Takes his frustrations out on a player that is everything he is not, nor ever will be… Besides… those showers in the portacabins are totally inadequate for his ego so he arranges to get in them early…
    Bottom-line… Flapper and Richarlison sum everything up that there is to Everton Football(ha) Club
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Leaked transcript of the conversation between Oliver and Coote.

Oliver: Can you have a look at this please. I think it might be a penalty. Can you check Van Dijk was offside?

Coote: No worries.

Oliver: Can you also look at the Pickford challenge on Van Dijk

Coote:

Oliver: Are you there, mate.

Coote: Hang on.

Oliver: Was he off?

Coote: Hang on. Nearly there.

Oliver: What’s up?

Coote: Just trying to get this line right.

Oliver: Shall I give the pen?

Coote: Hang on.

Oliver: What’s up?

Coote: I’ve drawn the line a couple of times and I think his fingers might be off. You can’t give a pen.

Oliver: OK. I’ll blow for a goal kick…Hang on. I don’t think fingers count. Do they count?

Coote: I don’t know.

Oliver: I’m pretty sure they don’t.

Coote: Hang on. I’ll draw another line. I think I can get it to his shoulder.

Oliver: Could you? Take your time. Liverpool are getting a player treated anyway.

Coote: Nope. Hang on I’ll move the ground line out a bit. I’ve got a few pixels to play with.

Oliver: Can you bend the line a bit?

Coote: Nope. It has to be straight…Right, I can give you his elbow. How’s that?

Oliver: It’ll do. I’ll blow for a goal kick.

Coote: Good stuff mate. What was the other thing you wanted me to check?

Oliver: Fuck. I can’t remember. Can you?

Coote: Sorry mate. I was trying to get these lines sorted. Was there another offside you wanted me to look at?

Oliver: No, it wasn’t that. Shit. What was it?

Coote: Sorry mate. Can’t help.

Oliver: Fuck it. Probably wasn’t important. I’ll just play on.

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Ha… yes very good… OR…

Oliver: Remember our pre-match plan… give these f*** all
Coote: Too right I remember it… It was me that suggested it in the first place…!

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Meanwhile in Coote’s head…

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