Post match: Liverpool v Aston Villa (EPL 20/5/23 3pm)

[koptician]

@1972

When was they last time they won a match they should have lost or drawn because of dodgy ref decisions?

Where do I begin!

[FGred]

Arsenals Partey kicking Diaz throughout the match until he ruined his season by going off for over 6 months not even a yellow Bernardo silva rugby tackling Salah in front of the ref and when Klopp went insane about it he was sent off etc etc

[FGred]

I hope they asked why Brooks was officiating in this match after he caused Klopp to be sent off and fined if that was not deliberate from pgmol to give Brooks the opportunity to goad Klopp into another reaction?

[Semmy]

I think it’s pretty obvious why the PGMOL put Brooks in charge and we saw the outcome of it. Blatantly obvious in so many ways. Multiple examples of bias in the decision making which are “open to interpretation” and Brooks took advantage of the opportunities

[jaffod]

@Mascot

The only points in the league we dropped until Watford, came as a result of a referee fucking us over. The terrible reffing was there, but we made it irrelevant.

Exactly. They tried but we were that fucking good we rendered it irrelevant.

As you say, Atkinson at OT. Then Atkinson again at Villa Park, this time as the VAR, disallowing Bobby’s goal. Taylor at Anfield against Wolves at Christmas, disallowing Mane’s goal after giving handball against Lallana (one of the many where he has to change his decision in our favour after being told to go to the monitor - never the other way round) and Bobby’s disallowed goal against man U at Anfield for a non-existent foul on de Gea.
They certainly tried hard enough.

[jaffod]

@RedOpium

𝗡𝗘𝗪: Liverpool have written to the refereeing governing body to seek an explanation for the contentious decisions which ended their late bid for Champions League football. #lfc [chris bascombe - telegraph]

On top of writing to them last week re. the treatment Salah gets it looks like finally someone at the club has grown a fucking backbone.
A few years too late though. We’ve allowed them to shaft us out of a couple of PL titles without a whimper and now we’ve basically allowed them to shaft us out of a CL spot which could set us back years.
We’ve sat there with our thumbs up our arses as the lies of Atkinson, Coote, Taylor, Tierney and Kavanagh have turned up and systematically cheated us.
It’s pretty clear Jurgen Klopp knows exactly what’s been going on ever since we became a threat to the manc teams. Maybe if the gutless suits had backed him things might be different.

[Quicksand]

Add Brooks to that list.
He cost us on Saturday

[RedOverTheWater]

Generally speaking, fans defend their own team.

Going wild with unfounded accusations and so on, rather undermines things. But I don’t see too much of that here. I see a groundswell of frustration that we are not getting a fair shake.

It is exacerbated by our own, who, perhaps in an effort to try to be unbiased, seem a bit too unfair in regard to their own team, to me at least.

[Mascot]

@JU97ICE

@Mascot

Have you read the Tompkins analysis?

I’m guessing this is some sort of trap and there is a world-renowned data analyst called Tompkins? Or are you talking about Sportswriter Paul Tomkins?

EDIT: I don’t read the Tomkins Times which is what I assume you are referring to. But it didn’t pass my ‘bias’ sniff test. I don’t hold that against him. He clearly has a niche here he’s aiming at, baiting Liverpool fans with an emotional write up after a season-ending draw, to hook them to buy a subscription for the remainder of the article. Its an article with lots and lots of opinion but very little to explain how he came to his conclusions. Again, a reflection of writing a short post-match summary to Liverpool fans, I don’t expect the world in terms of depth, but then I am unsure what to take from an opinion piece like this?

He neglects to mention some early calls that went in our favour, instead focusing on the latter stages of the match where the ref lost control and in essence, by being too weak to punish them, encouraged Villa to play their shithousery tactics of breaking our rhythm through time wasting and diving - that I completely agree with Tomkins on. I think that ref had a shocker and I’ll add him to my list of refs lacking the intestinal fortitude to ref a tight match…its a long list.

I enjoyed reading his opinion on the match, don’t get me wrong. But if a very anger-tinged write-up featuring swearing is meant to convince me that someone has taken the time to analyse the game (for instance, it doesn’t appear there was much data gathering that took place for the writeup) then I think we have different definitions of analysis.

Even if you put aside the rose tinted glasses and playing to the gallery, which he definitely isn’t opposed to, there are a few things which I think are worth looking at more.

• the simply staggering extent to which Mo Salah is an outlier in terms of decisions given in his favour. There is no way to look at this with feeling outraged at the naked prejudice he suffers.

• the frequency at which penalties are awarded to Liverpool, especially at Anfield. Simply put, we don’t get them, way beyond what would be a reason tolerance.

• The way time-wasting goes relatively unpunished against Liverpool, and that we are disproportionately punished for this.

• The overuse of Paul Tierney which, as Tompkins notes, even if you don’t think he is bent as fuck (which I do) over using one ref with one team is going to lead to resentment building up.

• The over reliance of Manchester based referees in general.

[Sportbilly1966]

Maybe some of us look at individual decisions and then look at the rules and apply the rules as they should be applied by the letter of the law. However sometimes the way they are written doesn’t make sense.

I am one that is also quite vocal against the injustice against us overall and I think the standard of the referreing is a joke and we regularly get refereed to a different standard to the opposing teams.

[1972]

@Sportbilly1966

Maybe some of us look at individual decisions and then look at the rules and apply the rules as they should be applied by the letter of the law.

At the risk of being a WUM, are you guys the only ones doing that? What are the rest doing? Sounds a bit pretentious.

@Sportbilly1966

However sometimes the way they are written doesn’t make sense.

Hard then to look at the rules and apply them if they don’t make sense.

[Quicksand]

@Sportbilly1966

Maybe some of us look at individual decisions and then look at the rules and apply the rules as they should be applied by the letter of the law. However sometimes the way they are written doesn’t make sense.

I am one that is also quite vocal against the injustice against us overall and I think the standard of the referreing is a joke and we regularly get refereed to a different standard to the opposing teams.

Thats the mistake, the “some of you” are not the only ones to understand the rules, or to have played the game or whatever.
The some of us also have.
The major disagreement point on Saturday was Cody’s goal.
Referees are at odds over the decision, which is a subjective decision…and there are people on here who proclaim to “know” the rule better than others.

[Quicksand]

Liverpool ask PGMOL for explanation on decisions in Aston Villa match

In the article Klopp explains that Brooks told him the goal was a subjective decision. He disagrees with Brooks on the interpretation of deliberate action by the Villa defender.
Liverpool have written to PMGOL for explanations.

[Flobs]

So all own goals should be discounted as the poor bugger didn’t have control of himself!

[sandsoftime]

Another hypothetical way to think about this…
If his scuffed attempt at clearing the ball went into his own net… would a goal have been awarded…?? If not, then why.?? If so, why can they then call an offside for the exact same move…!

[koptician]

@sandsoftime

Another hypothetical way to think about this…
If his scuffed attempt at clearing the ball went into his own net… would a goal have been awarded…?? If not, then why.?? If so, why can they then call an offside for the exact same move…!

I was literally about to ask this same question

Great minds and all that

[JU97ICE]

@sandsoftime

If his scuffed attempt at clearing the ball went into his own net… would a goal have been awarded…??

Unless a goal is only awarded if its a ‘deliberate play’ of the ball, which I don’t think is in the rules, then yes, the goal stands. A goal is awarded if the ball passes the line.

[rab]

It’s yet another thing they’ve over complicated to the point where even players and managers can’t fully understand it and whatever the decision the ref makes will anger one set of fans whilst also giving the refs an out.

The way they’re talking about it is that the play of the ball not only has to be deliberate but also go where the player intended it to go. So technically, a snap reaction like Konsa’s was “a deliberate attempt to play the ball” but because of where it ended it up it wasn’t classed as a “deliberate play of the ball”.

Well done, you’ve confused everyone with a nice fuzzy layer of nonsense to what should be a simple rule. And lets not even get started on “phases of play” and “interfering with play”. More subjective nonsense to muddy the waters.

You can’t have it so that his presence is ignored should Konsa not get in the way but he’s all of a sudden offside once Konsa diverts the ball to him. It’s a nonsense.

[Sweeting]

And I still think its funny that forgotten in all of this, deliberate touch or not aside, is that had Konsa not been there to deliberately or accidently touch the ball then Liverpool would probably have had a free shot from 6 yards out.

His “non-deliberate” touch, which was actually a very necessary defensive action, is the only reason the offside player ever becomes involved in the move.

Its a badly written law that was improperly interpreted and poorly applied.

[Draexnael]

@Sweeting

And I still think its funny that forgotten in all of this, deliberate touch or not aside, is that had Konsa not been there to deliberately or accidently touch the ball then Liverpool would probably have had a free shot from 6 yards out.

It was Konate, that “shot” was ending in row Z!