We were flat in the match, there were extenuating circumstances outside on the match, Thiago really should not have played with a painkilling injection…and Courtois had one of his best nights ever.
So there is a fair bit of difference
It’s like the exact opposite but whatever. I can’t be bothered explaining again what it’s pretty clear from the onset. Anybody else can judge for themselves.
You’re the one saying that your interpretation of the meaning of the non-verbal communication among the players is important in understanding what happened than applying basic football fundamentals.
Yet I don’t think there was a single save he was asked to make that you wouldnt expect a prem keeper to make. That’s maybe doing him a disservice on the Nunez 1-1 because it was positioning and quick read that allowed him to turn a potentially big chance into a straight forward save, but the bigger point is we’re not doing remotely enough with the opportunities that come our way. Mo, Bobby, Mane…none of then were clinical finishers, but when we had suffocating control over a game that wasnt a huge deal. Everyone knew the next one would come before the defense had caught their breath. We’d often spurn good chances only to then score a harder one or bundle some scrappy goal home that was the result of a defense just finally capitulating from the cumulative pressure. This season these chances are coming far more as isolated parts of the game. We look at Nunez and he seems far more in the mold of what we’ve had before than someone you’d bank on putting away his chance, and that means for this to turn around we either need to restore suffocating control of games or find a way to change our identity. The later is not happening
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I got to the pub a couple of minutes late and completely missed the goal. Regarding the blind pass, that happened recently and though we did not get caught out that time I was caught between - wow that was risky and wow, what confidence - in a trust fall way.
The one thing which we seem to be lacking atm is a leader. There was a natural VVD persona previously or Henderson’s swagger - both of which came across as leadership - both are missing atm. It all comes across as a bit leaderless and rudderless.
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Do you think Alisson’s gesture wasn’t an apology to his teammates?
Arsenal battering Forrest, that’s why that defeat and this are unacceptable.
I think we can interrogate that a good amount. I think there are plenty of reasons to think that the best keeper in the world, someone whose job is literally to bail out his team mates when needed, takes personal responsibility for every goal we concede because on some level he feels he failed his teammates by not bailing them out, regardless of how shit a situation they put him in. That can all be debated, but it’s rich to mock someone for inferring what people were thinking as a way of explaining the situation given that is the entire basis of your argument…one that importantly requires you to ignore the actual football part of it.
Le arse are properly spanking NFO…It seems a huge reset in midfield personnel needs to come in January or else FSG will never get the value that they want from other buyers. They can sack Klopp if we fail to qualify for CL next season but it only serves to reduce the club’s valuation further.
FSG is really properly fucked now by not ensuring succession planning in the backroom staff which led to poor medical and sport scientist advice given to Klopp regarding the performance trend of the playing staff and the durability of the playing staff. It is as if Billy Hogan and Alan Hughes are just running the club in auto-pilot. Fuck me, I can do the same for 10k pounds a fucking week.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but where do you get this stuff? Why in the world would FSG sack Klopp?
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Because it seems that they are relapsing into their mistakes during their first season with us?
But its more than that mate…
We let Gini go rather than find a way to accommodate him cus of our budget restrictions. He was an absolute key player for us in a way that us fans often do not see.
And we never replaced him We DON’T replace players as routinely and consistently as we should; the manager just adjusts the game…
We needed a major overhaul in MF; again for budget reasons after losing out to Madrid on Aurelien, we went back to having the manager adjust the team’s game.
The problem is our inbuilt risk averse and minimalist approach. The add on is Klopp’s tendencies that have to do with squad size, loyalties, etc.
The minimalist approach is no longer working.
The two seasons that we have had crisis with injuries, we have struggled mightily to cope. And in each of those seasons, it comes back to failure to act in the txfer market: for CDs and now for MFs.
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This isn’t true, we just didn’t offer him the huge contract he wanted. Letting Gini go (and seeing his decline) was the right decision. Replacing him with Thiago who is injury prone without another player to share those minutes was a mistake.
Again not true, he just chose Madrid over us, had nothing to do with money.
LFC appears to be a team that plays to the level of their opponent this year, or in too many cases, a level below those opponents. No matter what the players say in front of the camera, when it comes to league play, those who are going to the WC, are holding back, and saving themselves for that debacle of a competition. As a fan, I am still pulling for the team, but this is painful to watch.
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What really grates on me…is when we play shit, all the other teams that we hope would get beat scrape a win…cmon WH just score…fgs…so tubby shaw can body check opponents, but nobody can body check him…it’s just cost WH a yellow…
Sorry last paragraph should be in Premier League thread…
It was not the right decision and we did not replace him. Thiago was not his replacement. And he did not decline either; he was still playing well for the Dutch b/4 the rug fell under him completely…
My point was not about losing out to Madrid on Aurelien, but choosing not to get another option in the market and going back to the manager adjusting…
Our minimalist approach to squad is no longer sufficient. Both in terms of how we want to play and the demands on the players, and the intensity of the schedule…
He slipped because the ball was played 10 yards from where he was expecting it, and apologised because he’s a good guy. Very strange how you’ve spent 24 hours arguing against the blantantly obvious. Just watch the replay. I like Gomez but that was his error.
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Given hardly any of our lads will be going then I’ll assume you’re talking about Fabinho and Van Dijk. I don’t think you can level that accusation at Firmino, Henderson or Nunez.
Fabinho’s form has fallen off a cliff and seeing as he’s not first choice for Brazil then he’s doing himself no favours playing like he is. If Tite has been watching him this season then Fab will be watching the WC in his living room.
VVD’s play has been odd. He seems to have resorted to some form of non-contact defending. It may be he fears another contact injury. If it continues after the WC he should be 3rd choice behind Matip and Konate as it’s becoming unacceptable.
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What do you define as a minimalist approach? In the last 3 years we’ve brought in 9 first team players, 7 of whom might reasonably expect to start the next big game we have that they are fit for.
this almost feels like a no true scotsman issue, where the definition of having bought enough players, or spend enough money, is winning.