Post match: Liverpool v Man Utd (EPL 17/12/23 4.30pm)

And that wasted a minute and ended any chance of United not throwing everyone behind the ball. It did us no favours at all.

I’m still curious what Dalot did or said after the first yellow to get himself sent off. Did he tell Oliver to fuck off? Really bizarre as I’d expect the ref to at least give a player a few seconds to calm down.

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Don’t you think the reason you know who Pep Ljinders is, might be something to do with being a Liverpool Fan?

I’m sure Brentford fans know who their assistant manager is.

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Sometimes people forgot that you don’t just replace your whole entire title winning midfield and then expect things to be smooth throughout. Considering that there are alot of new players we have, we have done well to be in 2nd and if we get it right, this weekend, top of table for Christmas.

Doesn’t take away the fact that we look lethargic and terrible against a side who would have taken a small defeat before the match started. We are poor for the last few matches but there is no crisis, all teams go through slumps but great sides keep pace even through the slumps. Yes we need to improve but the fact is We could still be first before Christmas. That’s a perspective we should have

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You’ve got it all wrong: if we don’t win every match 5-0, we’re crap.

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Spot on. I couldn’t understand so many people celebrating our victory before a ball was kicked. Given our recent struggles to get games over the line, I was expecting it would be extremely difficult to break them down but seemingly I was in the minority.

The same people are now writing us off despite the fact that if we beat Arsenal next week we will be top of the pile.

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Not me. I was ridiculously optimistic and remain so.

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Heh, what do you expect from that mug?

Unfortunately, Gravenberch is no better, and now he has likely joined the injured list.

Considering some of the replies it sounds like that point scraped us out of the relegation zone
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We are one point of the top going into Christmas, who wouldn’t take that.

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I was as pissed as everyone off post-game, but thought there would be more perspective here today. The negativity level is like we’re in the relegation zone, rather than a win away from being top of the league.

We’re a team in transition and lots of the issues seem fixable (e.g. trying to shoot past 3 defenders when there’s someone clean through on overlap with a simple pass).

Darwin Nunez is more of a conundrum, but the rest of the rebuild is still ahead of schedule IMO

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Why? Who gives a shit about useless twats like that?

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If we can get a midfield of Thiago , Mac , and early season Dom we’re in business again. At the moment it’s just a mess.

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There’s your problem right there isn’t it?

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Could it be Gomez given the license to bomb forward as an orthodox attacking full-back be the cause of the improvement after the substitutions which actually gave the team some much needed width?

If so, why is TAA not being tasked to do the same???

Most of our attacking players (Dom, Mo, Diaz, even Curtis and Darwin) started the season very well, firing on all cilinders, but their current form is just shite. It could only partly be accredited to injuries. They almost looked rusty yesterday.

I wonder if it could be a rhythm issue? Before the last Carabao cup game (when the form started to decline visibly), we had two different line-ups for weekend and midweek match (11 or 10 changes between them), but despite that, all the other forwards and no. 8s came in around the 70’ (e.g. in Europa League match, Dom, Mo and Diaz always came off the bench). So while being well rested (due to not having started the midweek match), they still remained in rhythm due to having played 15-20 minutes on Wednesday/Thursday.

I would say Klopp should embrace similar strategy this week against West Ham and send Mo, Diaz and Dom in around the 70’ (and of course not start them in order not to run them into the ground).

At least he slags off everyone though and especially United players. I have no problem with Roy Keane at all or his comments…Like Souness he speaks his mind. Not like the anodyne contributions from some of the others…

BTW … We could do with a young Keane or Souness shaking up our midfield

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The amount of nostalgia going on is verging on hyperbole here. His finishing was every bit as frustrating as Núñez, to the point where people were consoling themselves that he was bought to create chances, not finish them. He didn’t really hit his stride in terms of goal-scoring until he was 25.

I think people are looking back on his early time with us with rose-tinted glasses on, because he chose to leave us in his prime, and because he was one of the few bright sparks in a team that really deserved to be 8th, when we were recovering from Hodgson.

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The more I think, the weirder it gets…Diaz, Nunez and Szoboszlai were flying for their national team. However, when they come back to Kirkby, they regressed in a way.

Surely, that has to be a tactical issue?

Apparently United are a walkover all of the time.

Bunch of entitled kneejerkers in here, projecting their own psychological insecurities onto the team.

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With regards to Dom , I read a few weeks ago (somewhere , can’t remember) that he was having problems settling and felt lonely. I thought nothing of it at the time , and haven’t heard anything similar repeated elsewhere , but I wonder now if there could be something in it.

Does he have Matty Hurst’s number?