No…why can’t TAA play 86 minutes like how Bradley did for 10 minutes?
We made the manures look good.
As for TAA, he actually started well where he tracked a Dalot run and recover and win the ball back. But the rest of the game was just shambolic, but not just him, to be fair.
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Are the fans forgetting that much of the problems at United lie in the fact they have a squad full of players not willing to do the hard graft? So when they have a bad run of form, they are incapable of putting together a coherent team performance because they are not willing to work together for it.
LFC Vs United always contains a team playing their cup final. In the past when United were on top, it was our cup final. Now it’s the opposite.
They played well as a unit because they understood the significance. And when a team is putting in 100%, they are always at least a chance of getting something from a match. Football is not rugby league where there’s regular scoring and therefore the best team will nearly always win. Football is a game of fine margins.
Being gutted at the result probably means you expected the United of last week vs Newcastle would show up and not United as they play against us. It’s best not to have expectations in these types of fixtures, just as you shouldn’t have high expectations in the derby when it happens.
Would anybody here be genuinely shocked if United also got a result against Arse (admittedly only the FA Cup) then lost without scoring vs So’ton?
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You know it is bad when the crowd starts to react like this…
and then you have the online folks saying this…
The result is a bit disappointing, but doesn’t come as a shock for me.
Not the first time that the “worst” team of the two surprised the other.
The performance, well… especially off the ball, that was clearly below our standard. A really unpleasant surprise that.
Unfortunately, even at 2-1 with 10 or so minutes to go, when you look at our structure as we were conceding the second goal, we were all over the place, too spread out.
Not compact enough and not enough control.
I know even if there wasn’t snow, the conditions weren’t easy.
Amorim spoke about them working on keeping the ball better and we saw some of that. They did well in finding space, switching sides, etc.
Still, for large parts it felt like we were too far away from each other, late, etc.
It’s a shame Jota didn’t aim when he shot straight at Onana near the end.
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I said the same throughout the game we needed to keep the ball better and to maintain our shape.
Our lack of ball retention and forcing it caused them to get confident, people slag the 1st half but most of that half especially the first 30 minutes was spent in their half and they were just feeding of scraps with long punts or off our mistakes. By retaining the ball we keep our shape better .
We do lack the mental attitude to pass a team to death before going for the jugular.
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Not sure whether these are true. If they are that’s the proof why we drew the game. Some worry why Konate, Graven and VVD didn’t cover his arse when he lost possession and if these stats are true he was running pants down. 25 times possession lost – is that even true or possible in a game? I don’t know I can remember 6 though.
The scary part is that he didn’t win any aerial and ground duels. That is so damning for anyone not in the forwards position…
Something looked off today that goes beyond merely having a bad game.
Have a bad game, misplace places, but keep working, and it’s just one of those things. It happens, you dust yourself down and go again.
But have a bad game, misplace passes, and trot around without busting a gut to get back into position? Ugh. It prompted a normally calm VVD to shout at him, and glare and shake his head.
I now think there is a chance he goes in January, after today’s showing. He just didn’t look like he was at the races.
I hate speculating, but the unsigned contract, coupled with Real Madrid hovering, leaves me wondering. If we had a committed Trent for the rest of the season, bring it on. Help us win big silverware, then if he goes, he signs off on a high note.
But if he’s phoning it in it would be better to take some dough now, even if only a modest amount like £20-25M or so, and draw a line under it.
Bradley gets the jersey, and maybe we sign someone else like a Geertruida to be a back up, while also having the ability to cover a few positions?
Just thinking out loud, but the main point is that after today, I think the chances of a January departure have increased.
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Well said. Slot runs the risk now of having to stand by his player in the (forlorn ?) hope that he’s convinced into signing a new contract. He also stands the very real chance of being repaid with more performances like this and more points thrown away , along with our title prospects.
We’ve been lucky thus far that the draws we’ve started to pile up haven’t really hurt us. Two more sub-par performances against Forest and Brentford could change all that. Slot needs to be decisive and put Bradley in there 'til the Trent saga is settled , one way or another.
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Taking advice from Rashford…
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The one positive. Slabhead didn’t score at the death.
We move on and win the league, this will soon be a distant memory.
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Or perhaps, he just wasn’t winning anything defensively at all, that’s why he got taken off?
That is the issue, because all of this started when I asked why he’s “getting pelters” because of the second goal, when none of was his fault. He did his job.
That alone should say volumes about the reaction of the forums and how justified it is.
And yet people question when I say that the offer from Real Madrid was exactly the unsettle the fans and target the relationship between the player and the fans…
Absent all the contract talk, and it’s literally just another one of his bad days, which almost always looks like that.
He’s genuinely getting criticised for things that have been shown time and time again to be what he’s been told to do, and bar the odd person here and there, not the things that he was actually shite at.
He was one of the furthest up the pitch for that sequence that you keep referring to, and yes, he should have done more to run back, but why is the rest of the team getting a free ride for that one?
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Really? Tsimikas has been back for just a couple of games since his injury, no?
Even against Forest? I thought that game was just poor all around, but we actually had a higher xG in this game than we did in the 7-0. I think our execution (and luck) was poor all around, but apart from that, was it really that bad in terms of the overall play?
I think it’s quite hard to discount the weather (although the question would be why the players didn’t adapt to that) and its impact on pitch conditions. I think quite a few on here commented in the first half how all the passes were really slow, speculating that it was the wetness of the pitch slowing things down.
For tens of thousands of pounds a week, the minimum we can expect is intensity, from every single player on the pitch.
That’s what is most disappointing.
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I understand what Klopp said but when a player doesn’t show commitment and any effort to win the ball back, you have to ask serious questions.
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