Post match: Liverpool v Newcastle (EPL 31/8/22 8pm)

1 Like

I remember that you told us this in the pre-match thread:

Seriously delighted for the lad. We seem to have a lot of very exciting young players at the moment. I do want us to give them time to settle in but when both Fabio and Harvey are on the pitch it looks special.

Given Hendersonā€™s injury, some of these lads will need to be stepping up.

2 Likes

Practising for the next match.

1 Like

Especially our backlineā€¦

2 Likes

Iā€™m sure I saw Marriner pointing to his watch and indicating to a player, that he was either adding all the added time or keeping an eye on Dopey Popeyā€¦whicheverā€¦Newsandcastle it was your own faultā€¦

3 Likes

Thatā€™s an incredibly harsh assessment of some of those named. I expect better of you.

2 Likes

And Newcastle were without 3 starters. I donā€™t even want to think what havoc Saint-Maximin could have caused on that side of our defence.

Well that was a fantastic ending last night, the Newcastle fans the idiots in the studio and most fans around the country were already celebrating the 1-1 victory. Well done Fabio your goal will be talked about for years and years :clap: :+1: :grinning:

8 Likes

Our grafters are old and decliningā€¦Should have a succession plan for them but we didnā€™t do so!

1 Like

How can Howe, Lampard etc let their players do that. Or encourage it? Itā€™s embarrassing - simply embarrassing. I just do not understand.

Have some decency, pride etc. I wish the press were all over them asking about cheating, acting.

3 Likes

Its a game plan, and if Howe gets a point at Anfield then it has actually worked.
Its embarrassing and totally outside the spirit of the game and when Mariner had the balls to add time to injury time it made a statement to timewasters.
Last night was significant for football. I am normally a critic of refereees, but I salute Mariner on last night because he had the intelligence and courage to take on that stupidity.

10 Likes

The injuries we have in midfield can be seen as an opportunity as much as a hindrance. Elliott has played many more minutes and really has sharpened up spectacularly, much more than he otherwise would have if Thiago and Keita werenā€™t injured. Next match may be a match too early, but Hendersonā€™s injury really should provide a lovely pathway for Jones, who I think is the one that should and probably will cement a spot because of the captainā€™s injury. Fabio will get plenty of opportunities, but while Thiago, Hendo and Keita are out, I see Jones as the likely player to step up. He has the ability. Now the opportunity.

No point crying about things like injuries we are not in control of and look forward to the players demonstrating on the world stage what they are capable of. We arenā€™t Manchester City. We arenā€™t going to let youngsters rot in the reserves. If there is an opportunity to ā€˜bloodā€™ a youngster who is ready for the next step, weā€™ll try it.

2 Likes

Yet Klopp admitted they were their own worst enemies, especially during the first half when they fell behind to Alexander Isakā€™s strike. ā€œWe were forcing it too early, we played too many long balls without a real idea behind,ā€ he said.

Its right Jurgen, get them sorted!

Not rocket science, when we passed it shorter and moved with pace and accuracy we got in time and time again.

Its just like in games where we are drawing or losing and we hit the 80 minute mark. Suddenly we start rushing things, particularly when the crowd start trying to force us to rush. We need to relax, and play our game, but also have the ideas that will unlock the opposition defence.

I am sure I wasnā€™t the only one incredibly frustrated with how slow we moved it from the back on 95 minutes and we looked like we were just wasting time even as the game was slipping from our grasp, but us keeping possession and not blasting it like the crowd wanted, was the only reason we came out of that with 3 points. Sure we could repeat that scenario 100 times and we would probably only end up scoring a late goal in 1 or 2 of those scenarios, but credit where it is due: The players ignored the rushing of the crowd, played the game, and won it in the final minute.

Itā€™s not even the 80th minute, pretty much any game we donā€™t score in the first 10minutes or so goes the same way.

9 games in 10 weā€™ve conceeded first, and most of those goals are carbon copies of eachother. We start slowly, we miss chances, we start to force play, concede possession cheaply and get punished on the counter.

I think VVD and Trent looked lethargic/disinterested so far this season. However, they have clocked the most mins (4600 and 4200 respectively) last season too. The insane workload and age is catching up with Robertson and Henderson respectively. Salah is so often corralled on the byline. Our best scorer is thus nullified. Mane and Firmino used to disrupt the opposition defense and allow Salah the space to move into; the former has left and the later isnā€™t just older but has suffered some injury in recent times.

What Iā€™m trying to say is that, a lot of players arenā€™t what they used to be and there are some valid reasons for that. We need to rethink/innovate our game. Onwards and upwards.

season 13 GIF

I take your point but the phone thing is what happens now, Iā€™m sure the lad didnā€™t have it out the entire game.

Besides itā€™s a bit hypocritical of us posting YouTube videos of fan experiences at Anfield entirely recorded on phones and then rebuke people for taking mementoes of the match.

If smartphones were around at that St Etienne match you can bet that people would be using them

3 Likes

Not everyone looks shattered. Elliott, Carvalho, Diaz, Gomez, Salah, Milner, Nunez, Firmino and others went through the same training regime and they are fit and sharp. The ones who are consistently struggling are TAA, van Dijk, Robertson, Henderson and Fabinho, which is as big an issue as any since they are the spine of the team and the teamsheet starts and ends with them. Theyā€™ve also been injury free apart from Henderson and to a lesser extent Fabinho.

For whatever reason itā€™s this particular group that seems totally out of sorts. They look as if they are finishing the season instead of starting it. Itā€™s quite telling that, unless Iā€™m mistaken, in 5 matches Klopp has substituted both full backs twice already which must be unprecedented.

5 Likes

VVD looks how he started last season, my major issue is Trent and Robbo. The latter did have that injury in the summer and we do have Tsimkas if we want him to rest.

Trent looks well off and that is the worrying one for me as is no direct replacement. If you had a fitter CM you could even rotate Hendo and Fabinho and probably get a better display from Henderson as thatā€™s where his best games are now.

1 Like

Granted, some are doing well. Interesting that itā€™s largely the newer lads and the lads that didnā€™t play as much last season. Only outlier in that list you gave is Salah and even then Iā€™d question if he looks 100% on it but then im not sure he was the backend of last season either.

Maybe itā€™s long term fatigue but it doesnā€™t seem like the kind of thing weā€™d normally get wrong or not be aware of and working to mitigate. But something somewhere isnā€™t quite right and as a team we look under cooked, short on energy and completely off the boil tactically too.

1 Like