Yup we created chances, we’ve lost that and kept the fragility of the backline.
Maybe it is because the intensity with how we play atm that makes them feel that they have a chance and our supporters struggle to get behind the players because they are seeing the same drab football
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I’m just glad we didn’t lose… Nothing else to add, really…FUCK!!
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Firstly, grow the fuck up. Get involved in conversations or don’t. People are rightly sick of the relentless negativity coming from you and a couple of others. It’s a leisure activity and when football isn’t your team smashing everyone and romping to league titles, you have find the enjoyment somewhere.
Secondly, if you’ve any kind of football brain, if you know anything about coaching a team out of a trough, you don’t go hell for leather, high tempo, aggressive football when you are leaking goals like a fucked sieve.
The first half performance was a mature, sensible continuation of the improved performance from the weekend. We don’t want to give Sunderland - doing really well, and on something of a free hit in the game - any encouragement by leaving gaps.
It’s perfectly fine for Liverpool to go into that game and say ‘You know what - nothing happens for first thirty minutes, and if that means we just pass the ball around’. We’ve got into a habit of conceding early, and the first thing is to stop that.
It’s also encouraging that we had the bad thing happen today, and for the first time in a while that adversity didn’t destroy us. We put it behind us and we got the equaliser. Again, something to build on.
No-one is claiming this is utopia. No-one is saying we’re back. But what we are looking for now, at this moment is that we stop fucking bleeding. That’s why I will take the draw, and we go again.
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The slowness could be deliberate - we’re conserving ourselves for the second half of the season…
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Positives:
Wirtz
Gomez
Szob (if we weren’t a bag of shit this year he’d surely be getting plaudits as one of the best midfielders in the league)
Chiesa (He can score, he can assist, and apparently he can even do last man goal line clearances - I love him so much. Plays with the same smile on his face that Bobby did all the time and runs like him too even if he is quite as silky)
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Fair enough. And supporters who can also see everything the whiners see, but choose to not just moan incessantly, have a right to call out better from fellow fans. If you see condescension on one side, I see constant negativity on the other.
In the interest of balance, of course criticism of what we are doing this season is fair and legitimate. I have given plenty myself over a number of weeks. But if that’s all someone can bring, as a fan, then I find it to be a bit shit and small time. It’s also boring, from a footballing perspective, as all I see is a continual stating of the obvious with no real insight given. Eventually the constant whining just grates.
To each their own, but I would like to see better from my fellow reds than just whining and moaning. I struggle to identify with such a negative mindset, as it seems all-to-gleeful in reveling in bad times. It needs some balance.
To that end, here is what I saw, over and above the bad stuff: today we got a point.
Not great, at all, but it was something. What was different, in relation to many other games, was we fought back after going behind. The point we earned by doing that closed the gap to top four, which should be the goal in this transitional season.
I see our problems, and we have a long way to go to climb out of it, but today had some sort of silver lining.
I cannot help fans who cannot, or will not, see that.
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I’m back tracking on nothing, you fucking tit. You know what I mean. Chiesa was last man, and the Sunderland player got past him.
Massive credit for getting back, but the fact that the lad found himself one on one with Ali from his own half was Chiesa’s fault.
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The fault there lies squarely with Slot and Aaron Briggs - we should never have left only one player defending.
Another example of dreadful coaching.
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On Sunday I’m going to start a parallel match thread. One for us and few others to actually chat about the game, and we can leave the other one for all the kids to moan in
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YES!!! do we get ice cream in the kids forum??
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So Arne Slot has to actually remind Chiesa what the offside rule is and coach him not to let a Sunderland player get goalside of him? You aren’t doing him any favours you know.
In your post further up you go on about pasing it around and not give up that early goal. Today we passed around for a full half and still gave up the first goal. That meant the first half was just wasted.
Why you mentioning offside again.
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So the one player who stopped a goal from being scored is the one you are blaming? …in real time whilst the rest of the team was scratching their arses doing nothing , the goalie within 2 seconds smashed the ball upfield and chiesa was the only one to react…seriously give your head a wobble
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Think of it more like sitting on the pub wall in December with a bottle of lemonade coz your parents are inside having a pint.
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We’ve just lost all authority full stop.
The defence is a mess and van Dijk isn’t as infallible as he once was, either as a defender or a leader at the back.
The Gravenberch of last year has vanished. Salah is no longer posing the threat he once did, Isak is way off the pace and even Alisson looks shaky. It’s not just the backline, it’s a fragility running through the whole team.
We give the appearance of control when we pass it round at walking pace but we’re like a Chuckle Brother putting out a chip pan fire as soon as we lose the ball. It’s just panic and chaos. That desperation and nervousness permeates through the team. We stop playing in our natural way and that’s where the movement and risk taking incisive passing dries up. Then come the individual mistakes as they’re forcing things or over thinking the basics.
I’ve said it before but I’ve never seen a group of elite players stuck in their own heads like this and for this long. Slot needs to take his share of the blame but it’s as much a mental issue as anything.
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https://www.youtube.com/live/9orTc54BQ_c?si=vFSmMqqKQ3JyC-6e
Slot press conference.
I can’t do that to myself right now.
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7 points from 27 and a 16 point swing with Arsenal in 9 games. Thats cause to be happy.
Firstly, I’ve already said he did really well to get back. Massive credit to him for that.
But he did let the Sunderland lad ghost behind him. That’s just a fact.
It was a mistake, which he did really well to recover.
I just just don’t think that’s worth a man of the match vote.