Post match: Man City v Liverpool (FAC 4/4/26 12.45pm)

Understood. Maybe my point was not clear, but this is what I intended to position your argument as - Slot has been handcuffed this season by overseeing a group of players who are not emotionally there. You may have softened over time on how core to our problems this is, or even how much mitigation this should allow Slot for this season’s failures, but correct me if I am wrong, but you have not done an about turn on it being a relevant factor.

I can point out numerous examples of this not being true, often with arguments that significantly misstate the argument you are rejecting, but to focus on the real issue that prompted my initial comment here we have…

You cannot possibly fail to see the contradiction here. Which is fine, we’re all just idiots wasting time talking about something that isnt that important. Except, you seem to feel you are being unfairly called out, and so maybe reflect on why and how you have engaged people on this topic over the course of the last several months. I promise you this is not it…

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No. Sorry. I think that’s bullshit. You know I have a lot of respect for you as a poster, which is why I feel particular annoyed at this coming from you. Frankly it’s beneath you.

You have totally mis-represented my views (and I suspect you are aware of this). You have exaggerated the extent to which I have commented on Jota’s death affecting the squad, you’ve exaggerated the extent to which I’ve defended Slot, and you’ve failed to give me the grace we all should get to change our minds and our views over time.

If you really want to post some stuff back at me that makes me look like a twat there is plenty of low hanging fruit out there you could go for without simply making shit up.

Let me be clear what I think. I am sure the death of Jota is still affecting the whole football club. But, as I said when I first raised this, it isn’t the only reason and it probably isn’t the main reason why performances have been poor. And certainly, as is the nature of grief, it will be less of a factor now than it was in October.

Even if I did believe (which I don’t) that everything that’s gone wrong this season can be put down to grief, there has to come a point where grief is less of a reason that it was in the aftermath. If you think I’m a hypocrite for saying we should maybe go easy on these grieving lads in October and then saying that the effort they put in to a game in April, six months later, was unacceptable, perhaps you could give me an idea when I am allowed to criticise a shitshow like we saw on Saturday without being accused of double standards?

This feels personal from you. I don’t know if you intend it that way, but based on how you have gone after me of late, I think it might. I don’t mind hearing criticism from you, because as I said I do respect you. But this doesn’t feel well intentioned. It feels unfair and dishonest. And more than a little gleeful.

It’s quite common for people to fall out in difficult times. It happens in our home when I don’t stack the dishes properly. Happily, all I have to do is make her a nice coffee and the Missus is content again.

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i think its more likely if you cant even stack the dishes properly, she cant be arsed complaining about the shite coffee you’ve just made…

the look shes giving you is of disappointment, not graditude…

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Still smarting about the blow job thing Red?
It’s nothing to be ashamed of :slightly_smiling_face:

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PMSL, best analogy ever

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Is that the stack that puts the most used dishes at the bottom so to get one you have to unstack then re-stack the lot every time you want a dish? :sob:

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Unfortunately, I don’t understand your question at all, so I’ll refrain from answering. If it’s one of your spiritual psycho-surrealist conundrums, I will bow my head and chant om shanto until it goes away. Peace to you oh guru.

https://x.com/TheAnfieldWrap/status/2041107876291231812

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John Aldridge column from the Liverpool Echo -

"What I saw at the Etihad on Saturday afternoon was something I’d never experienced watching or playing for Liverpool FC. Never have I ever witnessed that many fans walking out in protest at a performance or a result with so much time left to play in a game.

Manchester City were 4-0 up with around a third of the FA Cup tie left to play when many of those who had made the journey across the M62 for one of the shortest away-days of the season decided for an early dart.

Many of them were probably back in their locals on Merseyside by the time the final whistle went in Manchester and the players owe them an awful lot now going forward.

These are the same supporters who made the cross-country trek to Brighton for a 12.30pm kick-off only a fortnight earlier, many of them getting up at 4 or 5am to make the trip.

That will have cost fans upwards of £2-300 and given what has been served up to them, I can’t blame them for voting with their feet. These fans have to work hard to put food on the table for their families and then they are given these sorts of performances back, it is unacceptable.

Where is the fight in this team? We’ve seen Manchester City beat us three times now season and listening to them gloat will have been tough for those who opted to stay.

These players have to realise who they are playing for and start showing more than they are because right now, they are mentally weak and it’s horrific to see.

These lads need to learn that at Liverpool, you run until it hurts. Work hard and let the quality eventually take over. Too often that season it simply hasn’t been happening and I’m sick of saying it. It’s time a lot of them looked in the mirror.

Arne Slot’s players can’t handle adversity and I’ve been there myself when confidence is low, it is a tough mindset to change for the better. But these are all well-paid players who are getting away with it too much this season.

Slot line must be drawn somewhere

The debate around Arne Slot’s future will inevitably continue after Saturday’s dismal defeat at the Etihad.

A lot of the supporters have shown in recent weeks they are far from happy with the situation. The boos and the early exits after the 1-1 draw with Tottenham Hotspur last month was compounded by the sight of plenty of match-goers walking out after about 60 minutes or so on Saturday afternoon.

It’s not for former players to be calling for the manager to get the sack and that is something I don’t want to do on these pages.

But look, Arne will know the score, this is football and if results and performances don’t improve then talk about his future will always be there.

Fifteen defeats this season is the most since the 2014/15 campaign under Brendan Rodgers and since winning the league 12 months ago, you have to say there have simply been far too many days where Liverpool have been second best.

It’s usually the manager who carries the can for that and the line has to be drawn somewhere in the end.

Fans aren’t having Szob story

Another thing I didn’t quite understand on Saturday was Dominik Szoboszlai’s full-time interaction with the Liverpool fans in the away end at the Etihad.

I am not sure exactly what Szoboszlai’s point was and maybe something was lost in translation. He is one of the few players who doesn’t deserve a lot of criticism this year, so I won’t do that here but it didn’t look good.

He needs to understand that fans have every right to vent their spleen when they have just been so comprehensively outplayed the way they were against City on the day.

And Hugo Ekitike swapping his shirt with France colleague Rayan Cherki while the game was going on was another strange one. That was unacceptable, I have to say.

Incidents like that point to a lack of characters in the squad, the likes of Steven Gerrard or Jamie Carragher wouldn’t have tolerated that. Attitudes need to change, this is part of the wider problem at Liverpool right now."

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https://x.com/theanfieldwrap/status/2041218379382493668?s=46&t=Tk6buFVfyHeITdfFRWCVMg

Was listening to this podcast earlier and he’s spot on. I said it here at the time when Bradley was getting dragged off. We really miss the likes of Gerrard, Milner and Hendo

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I thought the whole podcast was good

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At least when Bradley was dragged off the pitch by Martinelli, a couple of players got involved. When Milner went in hard on Ngumoha, not one Liverpool Player get in his face. It doesn’t matter that he was a good player for us. This is about protecting a 17 year old lad.

Stuff like this is why I’ve gone for the players a bit more, as others have been focussing on the manager. He should be replaced in the summer, of course he should, but the players should not escape a reckoning either. Watching them simply just give up because they went a goal down on Saturday was a sobering insight into where things have gone wrong. Collectively they have allowed the standards to which they hold each other to fall, and that can never be totally on the manager.

I am really concerned about Liverpool in this moment, because that kind of cultural malaise can take a generation to recover from. To me, these players look like they don’t care. They look like they just want the season to end. They have no stomach for a top four scrap. They look like they have forgotten the very basic first truth of football, which is that you can’t win a game of football until you’ve won the battle first. They don’t graft, they don’t look after each other, and they don’t rally at adversity.

Here is a prediction for you. We’ll play well against PSG, and weirdly I think we have a better chance of winning than we do against Fulham. That sounds bonkers, but the simple fact is that these players will care about the PSG game and and they just won’t be bothered about Fulham in the same way.

I’m at the point where I think we should sack the manager, but I also don’t think a new manager sorts this out, not unless he is a unicorn like Klopp was. There is a leadership problem deep within the squad, and that takes a lot more fixing than getting Xabi in.

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Something got broken this summer. Whether it’s Jota’s death which triggered that, or something else, but the players are unrecognisable, also the older heads, those who became great with Klopp, and always accepted to carry the team when needed. Can’t wrap my head around this.

That being said, Slot surely holds a part of responsibility for that and has to go. But you’re right, him and his staff going won’t necessarily mean that everything will be magically right again. After all, it’s unicorns who bring you sustained periods of success. They are rare, and the club’s task is to find the next one (no idea if Xabi is one or not). Until then, we’ll go from mediocrity to mediocrity.

But on the other hand: we are accustomed to long spells of mediocrity. Historically, sustained spells of success are the exception for us, rather than the norm. We’ve been spoiled in the last few years. We’ll battle on until the next unicorn comes to grace us, hopefully it will still come during our lifetime. :wink:

Motivation is a factor. If top quality players are told week in week out to play within themselves, to stifle moments of magic, then they will lose motivation. Instead of allowing expression and take the odd risk, we are playing to control matches. And its clearly not working. Dropped points, capitulation, dreary attempts at defending? None of which was evident in these players a couple of years ago.

We need to turn off the cameras in training. Stop the messing and start afresh with a bit of discipline. Ekitike and Szoboszlai should be hammered for their behaviour on Saturday .
But it won’t happen.

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@_pauljoyce](https://x.com/_pauljoyce)
: FSG wants Arne Slot to turn things around, but on days such as this, where are the signs that anything other than a further unravelling is going to occur?

Arne Slot has turned things around.
He has turned us from Champs to Chumps.

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I used to say to United fans that for the years that we were poor and they were good, we never totally capitulated like they did in the 5-0 and 7-0 against us. We’ve now totally given up at least 3 times this season- Forest, PSV and City

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Slot didn’t criticise Martnelli on Bradley if you remember.

Maybe like the attitude of Arteta on Arsenal and Pep on Man City the attitude of Slot on the Liverpool players has come through.

I also don’t think it will take a long time to turn around eithier but the longer it’s implemented the worse it gets. I know the Swiss aren’t great but the way Wirtz shows up there does reflect poorly on Slot.

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Shots fired!

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