We did dominate in short spurts especially after we went behind 2-1, we equalized and could have even went ahead. All in all, a much better performance and even some players like Firmino are showing some temper and fire in their bellies in their plays which is good to see and gives us confidence we can recover.
But a loss is a loss of course, so hopefully this loss can ignite more fire in the players onto the next game.
YNWA.
Difference Robbo isn’t a liability defensively
There’s your problem.
Yeah, I was going to say that. It’s possibly the worst of the lot. No wonder Trump loved it so much.
Robbo has looked like a hull city player in these past few games and a shadow of a player we have seen over the past few seasons.
Someone mentioned the focus has been on Trent due to his defensive fatalities. Robbo has looked extremely one dimensional. I can’t remember a single pass he played forward last night, he rather slowed down our attacks alot and worse, it was always a back pass when he got the ball, for most of the night. If he gets the ball in the final third, he looks like rabbit in headlights, just can’t shoot at the target ever .
Partly, Jurgen has to take some of the blame for persisting with players who are out of form. You have to play players on merit, otherwise, players will get away with poor performances. In defence of Jurgen, he hardly had Kostas available till now, but it’s time to inject players on merit and form. Reputations need to be shed a bit. Otherwise, it sends a wrong message to the rest of the squad, no matter how crap we can call the squad players.
When Salah and Mane do it, they don’t get it. That’s the difference. Play on for us, match winning free kick for Utd.
Sorry mate, can’t agree with the latter sentence. We had a better spell right at the beginning, with our goal a fine conclusion to that period. Then they started dominating our lads right until they went 2-1 ahead. Then they conceded the 2-2 in an uncredibly sloppy way, so that’s maybe where you are right. Maybe they aren’t champions because they concede goals too easily against good teams. But on the face of that game, if they are are top four at best, then we are top six material, at best.
From the 2-2 on, there was only one team likely to win the game, and it wasn’t us. And they did win it. So no, sorry, we weren’t the better team on the night.
I keep reading posts about a so-called corrupt performance from the ref? I might have missed something there? To me, everything seemed ok this time?
No, don’t agree at all. To give Utd credit, they were pretty ruthless in exploiting Williams, and we were poor in the protection we gave him.
But here are the stats.
As for the ref, did you see the free kick decision that won them the game? People keep saying if that was Mane or Salah, we’d want a free kick. The problem is Mane and Salah don’t get it. Ever. I’m happy with that being a free kick or not being a free kick. But it can’t be Schrodinger’s Freekick, simultaneously a free kick and not a free kick depending whether it’s a Liverpool played who goes down.
On the whole the ref was OK, but there is always one of these decisions that fucks us every game. Against Burnley they got a nonsense pen, Brighton nicked a point because of another nonsense pen, we’ve had absolute stonewall pens denied, Salah is literally pushed over at Fulham for their goal, VAR has killed us on a few occasions.
It’s beyond shit refs now. You can’t look at the way the refereeing has gone this season and think there isn’t something going on.
I posted on TIA, I know you… MarcusBerglund, RedForever2014 of old… The anti-FSG Brigade.
Maybe not idiots, but certainly with warped agendas.
Still waiting for any of you to name a center back attainable this window, the price you’d have to pay, and how we’d fund it (beyond our owners investing more money, something they won’t do).
P.s. Barca just released their figures for last season… Only the 120mil pre tax loss for them…
Regarding the freekick…
It was a very experienced player getting a freekick.
If it was a foul it was an extremely soft one but I agree with the people in here who say that we’d all be appealing if it was down the other end.
“Mane and Salah don’t get those”
Sometimes we do, sometimes we don’t. That’s football.
All three of those goals last night were down to us and individual mistakes.
First - let rashford pick out a pass and Milner s missed header, robbo out of position
Second - Rhys Williams playing pub league
Third - Alisson beaten on his side and took a step to the right which was the side the wall was covering.
Individual mistakes.
Too many people are going on about “the referees” “VAR” the world against us.
The bottom line is that for longer than I care to remember we’ve been very shit. Even when we’ve been winning we’ve been looking poor and only just getting over the line. Look back at the results all season.
Palace is the exception not the rule the majority of the other games we’ve been poor.
Only thing I would say we did look better last night but… we still lost which is still a worry.
It’s not just this season; it goes all the way back to the Atletico Madrid games. We’ve been poor (admittedly by our very high standards) for nearly a year now.
Not the first time we have had this point brought up and it is going to be repeated every time he plays for us. He’s a good lad with decent attributes and if he was being asked to play in a low block (can’t believe I just used that term as I am averse to all these double pivot, low block, regista double d extra time with double cheese things) defense where his average position would be right on the D then he’d have no problems but for us… he makes Maguire’s manoeuvrability look like that of an F-22 by comparison.
If he continues playing and if we continue using the same defensive shape when he does play we will be giving a lot of teams a whole lot of credit.
@LFC-Orlando He shouldn’t say that. It will put off posters from posting especially the shy and new posters. We are not footie experts, it is just different opinions. No matter how trivial it maybe to someone else
I have been intimidated in the TIA and it put me off posting. Now, I used ignore list.
The answer you always get back is “I’m not a scout. It isn’t my job”.
Well, isn’t that interesting. So when you want to sign someone the recruitment staff are the professionals and it’s their job. But when they can’t pull a brilliant, cheap and available Centre Back out of their arses in January, that all goes out of the window and everyone is lazy and incompetent.
It’s not up to the fans to identify the ‘perfect’ player to purchase.
Fact is there’s a gapping hole in defence due to some really bad misfortune.
As for capital input from our owners, that’s not at all asking for anything ridiculous, they’ve done it before.
Can you calm it down a notch.
An absolute honest question here, what would you have done if I recommended Robertson from hull or, even jots from wolves at those times?
I agree, so I am sorry I used the word idiot.
However my sentiment remains, there are some posters who only revel/post when we are in a slump. They dont join in our success, they just want to twist the knife in when things are going bad.
Probably the most none Liverpool YNWA way I can think of, so I will call them out on it.
Be critical, but have alternatives… Don’t just say go sign a center back but offer nothing else i.e. How it could be funded, who would be available… Its easy to be critical and then say well its not my job to find a player, giving the same said people finding players no credit that simply the player wanted is 100% not available this window.
The same said posters completely ignore we are literally in a world wide pandemic which the impact for everyone still cannot be quantified. Look at Barca 120mil losses last season, the ripple effect is going to be huge.
Our slide didn’t start when Van Dijk got injured, it was when fans stopped being in stadiums nearly a year ago.
I’ll do the polite version.
Firstly, we have signed three players since the pandemic started. At a cost of £75m.
Secondly clubs aren’t signing players. There have only been something like four or five deals have been completed this Jan. That’s insanely low.
The obvious conclusion is that clubs are absolutely skint.
Ok let’s humour the resident pedant since Eddie was sent on his merry way.
Let’s take your favoured name Upamecano. Let’s look at the facts of signing him ok?
Transfer fee? I’d say around £50mil, based on the fact his release clause in the summer is 42mil (so I’ve been generous).
Wages? I’d match Matip, so that’s around £90k per week. That’s £5mil per year, so lets say a 5 year deal? Plus signing on fee of £5mil (shared with agent fees), 5*5+5 = £30mil outlay over his contract for his wages etc.
So that’s a committed spend of £80mil you need to have the money for. Now any constraints on signing him?
Let’s base 2-4 on the last player signed from a club who played a similar pressing game to us - Taki. He took over 6months to learn our gamestyle, and I’d argue he’s still learning the defensive side.
Let’s for argument sake say we have no money to spend, or we have to sell players to fund a signing (and we can’t move anyone).
So your answer is FSG should put money in, I’m assuming you mean a low interest loan like they did for the Main Stand correct? And you know FSG can borrow decent sums of money based on what collateral? How are all their investments doing? Are they still worth what they are today? What if John Henry has minimal actual cash (most rich people don’t have money sat in bank accounts doing not a lot), does he feel the risk of selling off some of his portfolio (in a very weak market so he’ll probably get a lot less than value) to fund a player for Liverpool?
So we have a minimum £80mil outlay on a player who we can expect to start contributing properly in say 3-4 months (being massively generous). Call me a betting man, but that doesn’t appear on paper a risk worth taking at many levels.
And I have probably less than1% of the facts/information Edwards and his team have.
And the irony is even if we had signed someone in Jan, we’d still probably be giving kids minutes in the cup games haha.
