Post match: Nottingham Forest v Liverpool (EPL 22/10/22 12.30pm)

I do think Harvey earned his keep. The one player who showed effort and intensity from the first whistle.

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I felt sorry for Mo today Bobby slipped back to his performances of a few months ago. This left Mo as our only goal threat and Forest knew this perfectly.

Other than last 5-10 mins I honestly didnā€™t see anything Fab did wrongā€¦TAW said he was neat and tidy in possessionā€¦thatā€™s what I saw.

Not quite sure I understand how heā€™s being called out for being the worst, madness.

Young Fabio Salah Bobby did nothing, actually nothing. Robbo offered nothing. Jones played how he always plays, average.

I donā€™t think itā€™s a case of being ā€˜up for itā€™. Thatā€™s such an easy cliche to trot out when we donā€™t do well.

We didnā€™t have a good 11 out, there wasnā€™t a balance there.

Not enough pace in attack is always a killer for us. It has been for years. It always makes us look toothless.

The players tried, they were just bad. It was another tactical failure.

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He finally started to clamp down on time wasting after 85 minutes. For $hitty, heā€™d be pulling out that card in the first half for them.

But at least he tried to make the game flow for both teams equally. Shouldā€™ve given the Forest payer a card in the first half for one of the three fouls.

Be surprised if the ball in play was over 55 mins.

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How does that explain the pedestrian phase play, though? So many slow passes along the back four, followed by a desperate pass along the channels, and eventually someone losing it on the edge of the box. It happened again and again and again

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What do you call it when we win zero second balls? That to me is a simple case of lack of desire.

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That is true, my apologies. I should have been more directed.

I think anyone who still considers what I put up as excuses as opposed to the very real reasons that would explain whatā€™s wrong, who doesnā€™t pay attention to what JĆ¼rgen says when heā€™s discussing whatā€™s going wrong, especially with how theyā€™re working on it, as clueless.

Iā€™m glad you used the word ā€œentitledā€ though, which is all you really are with that drivel. Weā€™re not entitled to anything at all. We can be angry from that as a result, but the failure to understand why the result happened as it did leads to misdirected emotions and frustration, and unnecessary slagging of of people.

That is exactly my point. Weā€™re a team very much reliant on being able to train right and have the right levels of fitness. When you canā€™t even keep your training consistent because of all the disruptions from injuries, then a team like ours is always going to look especially bad. Passes will be that slight bit off, movement will be that slight bit off, and the small problems cascade very quickly.

I do apologise for calling you a joke however, there was nothing funny about you.

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I call it overused and simplistic.

Our problems had nothing to do with desire.

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Your view isnā€™t shared by all the journalists who were at the game.

Iā€™m fairly certain we didnā€™t let him go because of the work permit situation. If I recall correctly, he had received the permit that summer. It was pretty much down to the fact that we didnā€™t really have a place for him to slot into that could get him the game time he needed.

To put it somewhat differently, if he stayed with us last season, I donā€™t think he would have gotten the development he needed to get to this level right now.

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Thatā€™s why theyā€™re journalists!

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Movement off the ball wasnā€™t good enough, too many players who want the ball to feet. Elliot and Carvalho tried but they donā€™t have the attributes to consistently hurt teams with that movement.

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One thing which does need looking at is the amount of muscle injuries we get. In game impact injuries like the Diaz one are pretty much unavoidable but muscle injuries we must be up there with the most.

I think his numbers are still pretty good? Less than a game per goal contribution, which is, I think, remarkably good for someone whoā€™s off-form.

As for your last sentence though, I think thatā€™s completely at odds with how things work in reality. Given how compromised the attacking unit is, it is that much harder for him to be able to magic something out, especially given how much attention he gets from defenders.

None of the quoted journalists are talking about desireā€¦
Thatā€™s simply your interpretation

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The tactics in this match didnā€™t suit him. Curtis was the deep player with responsiblity to play out from the back. This allowed Fab to move further up, into a congested area. If a ball came to him there, he would play a safe ball back.

So he was a caught in a a halfway house, neither covering in the counters, nor contributing to prgressing the ball forward with forward passes. He would also not break a run into the box when we played it wide, when his starting position would make ideal sense to make a late run into the box.

Then when he dropped deep, he would fail with his interceptions. Slow and lethargic was what I saw. Normally Iā€™d defend him, but not with todayā€™s performance.

Pep called in his press conference that he can judge if a player is saving himself for the WC. With Fab itā€™s either that or he has regressed sharply in the last few months.

ā€œEntitledā€ - Iā€™m a lifelong red whoā€™s been with the club through all its ups and downs. I donā€™t expect success. What I do expect is a level of commitment, which I did not see today.

You know that but youā€™re more interested in being a dick, so Iā€™m going to leave it there and engage with others who are actually contributing to the discussion maturely and in good faith.

Have a good one!

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Like i said Mo gets a lot of unfair criticism today he was really our only goal threat and Forest knew this so they crowded him out.

We badly missed Thiago and Darwin today.

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