This is exactly the sort of unproductive comparison I’m talking about. It was a completely different sort of challenge with none of the same characteristics. Raising it as a comparison, with no attempt to understand why they are different, does nothing productive. It just sets you up to feel needlessly aggrieved at not getting the same treatment as someone else in a completely different situation.
From what I recall of Son’s red, he slid in from the side and Gomez’s foot got caught in the follow through. That is more often in a the yellow card category, very similar to Udogie’s. There is still a basis for giving it a red it’s just that basis is a completely different one than the one used to send off Jones.
This ‘clear and obvious’ line in relation to reviews of red has been brought up a few times now. Is it certain that this is how the rules are written for a review of red? Or does VAR have the power to intervene for reds regardless of how the on-field ref came to his decision or what he saw?
It being over a possible red card incident doesn’t change the criteria for VAR intervention. Given the sort of incidents that often get reviewed for reds you can see how they are often situations where the ref doesn’t see something clearly and so fit nicely into the clear and obvious category.
They determine how they apply the rules what they clamp down on. Also, where is the information in using excessive force and how they determine it, I have searched and cannot find anything that talks about the angle of the bending of the foot as an example to determine excessive force, you also say it is one of the factors they look at what are the others.
The only thing I have found is advice to refs in th US where the below is highlighted
“Involving excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the use of force necessary to make a fair play for the ball and has placed the opponent in considerable danger of bodily harm.
It is guidance for how to apply the rules, not rules themselves, and they are largely not public. But in the right places they are well reported on, both before the season starts (focusing on changes from prior years) and throughout the season as explanations for why ref’s responded the way they did. I was not aware of this specific interpretation until last week when Dale Johnson referenced it in his explanation of why Gusto’s yellow got upgraded to a red. He pointed to it again this week. You can dislike the interpretation/guidance, but it is how the refs are directed to apply the rules.