We get fuck all as the VAR failed to intervene…
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We keep quiet on this stuff, all the time. Wenger complained years ago when Pulis et al sent their teams out to clatter Arsenal players. Then it was noted and dealt with.
The non decision on the Isak assault is beyond comprehension. Unless you already know that these things are let slide.
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The general mood around it is that it’s unfortunate, but Van der Ven has to go for it, which is frankly bullshit. But the prevailing mood seems to be against us on this. It’s as if you are allowed to get away with more if you are trying to stop a shot on goal.
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It needs to go beyond the manager.
But first off, Slot needs to complain about it and the need to have players protected from malicious players and cuntish managers like Frank…
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100%. Agree with you and @jaffod. We need to start a concerted, strategic and long term approach where we have cultivated and brief media to call out anything >50/50 against us, have staff specifically focused on responding to this (aka - Manager brings someone with him to answer questions on this stuff) and also train players to arch up in the least easy to punish way to apply pressure consistently throughout games.
One of the ways LegoMan and Pep are changing the game is that tactical fouling is now one of the most important strategies.
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Thats the point really. He really shouln’t be trying to stop a shot on goal, but to block the shot, given his disadvantaged position. That’s what makes it reckless and endangering…
A defender in his position would look to get ahead of the shot, nut lunge at the attacker…
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What incenses me even more at the same fixture we got 2 players red carded (I think Curtis and Trent) for innocuous fouls and 8 yellow cards some of them baffling, then after the game the next day because of that undeserved waving of multiple yellows we were going to be fined a lot of money for violent behaviour, with 9 men we played better than with 11 and should have equalised.
I was astounded after yesterdays game that their manager was moaning about the consequences of their reckless behaviour which deprived us of 4 players one of which for a long time.
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Must be excruciating if they hit the target.
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It was totally counter productive as he got fined mercilessly for his protests, he even made a comment that he hoped the money would go to a charity.
Konate had to go for it with a sliding tackle where the contact ended up being minimal and he was punished with a yellow and a penalty. We and the media’s slated him for his crime.
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Rio completely dropped a bollock on Forest’s third the last time he came on and so don’t imagine he’ll be coming on in one of those all hands on the deck situation for a good while.
Because refs see it and say “You cannot take matters into your own hands. Let me deal with it”…and then refuse to deal with it.
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Isak is lucky he didnt get sent off for this, placing his foot down in VdV’s space like that. He could have done the lad some serious damage
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You’re dead right about Frank, a nasty piece of work. Slot should’ve been in his face, when Isak was injured.
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Defenders rarely get penalised for these types of challenges when the goal is scored. Doesn’t make it right but no one is getting an opponent sent off in that instance. Ironically if he misses there’s a chance we get a penalty but even then he’s only getting booked at most.
Doesn’t mean we as a club are weak or spineless as some are suggesting. You continually moan about stuff people know how to get at you. The manager says something post match and he’s getting a fine or a ban. What good does any of that do?
Players on the pitch need to stand up for each other but even then someone storming in and losing their head doesn’t really help anything.
In both cases it being a foul is irrelevant because other considerations superseded the simply awarding of a free kick (pen) - a goal and an preceding offside. The question is whether after ignoring giving a free kick the challenge was worthy of additional sanction.
Pickford avoided it mainly because the ref just fucked up. It was a complicated sequence where they had to work through 4 or 5 other things before they could come back and sanction the challenge and he just didnt come back to it. This one is just a blind spot for the game where a defender has really wide latitude to clatter the guy after the shot has been got off and will generally only be sanctioned if they go through the standing leg. Of course in this case it was actually his standing leg by the time he put it back down, but its just the dumb way the game looks at these challenges. After all “he has every right to go for that.”
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I don’t think he intended to hurt Isak, however, the challenge was desperate, late, using excessive force and endangering the safety of the player, all key ingredients in the sanction of a red card.
I think if Arne comes out and says that, it highlights it in facts rather than the feeling it is using the words from the laws of the game and is objective not subjective apart from the intention.
We all, that have played football, have done a tackle in desperation and caught or injured a player, I know I have, although I have never broken someones leg, but then I have ever been as big and fast as Van Der Ven.
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That second picture looks fake.
Except that the match was already done when he came on.
In the last match, however, we had a 2-0 score lead and a 11-10 advantage, which was a perfect time to toss a fast winger like Rio in.
It’s unfortunately not. I posted a video last night in the Isak thread from behind that shows the foot turning like that
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And? The point being he showed incredibly naivety in a defensive situation that fucked us and Slot will remember that when thinking about subs in games like this where we’re trying to see it out.