Post Match: Villa v Liverpool (EPL 19/2/25 7.30pm)

I think there are a lot of scarred people who haven’t any experience of a title run other than having to be perfect even to finish second by a point.

This is not that title race. A draw isn’t the end of the world. I think the title will be won on about 86 points.

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I see the old fatigue argument is rearing it’s ugly head again. Nobody else is massively rotating apart from City who are a fucking basket case.
I’m not buying it, if you’re a proffessional athlete and can’t run around for an hour every 4 days then you’re in the wrong job and no bollocks is going to convince me otherwise.
The fatigue/tiredness excuse has been trotted out like a fucking mantra at this club ever since Houllier first used it.

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It’s not that they can’t run, is it? It’s that in general they can’t run at top speed against a team which has fresher legs and therefore better ability to run at top speed, not to mention thinking.

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Yeah it’s relative. You lose conditioning above certain exertion levels. An opposition with a lesser workload has an advantage - doesn’t mean they are lazy etc. Just look at, for example, Tour de France sprints in week 3 vs week 1 in athletes who train all year for the race.

Saw it used last night, against Villa, who have had pretty much the same schedule as us this season.
I could almost accept certain midfielders can get leggy given they cover more ground but fuck me you’d think they were playing 3 hours every fucking day.

Its weird. I experienced it playing rugby at a reasonable level. At the start of the season I remember feeling like you could get hit by a bus and get up afterwards and do it again. End of the season not so much. You were tired but it was more a mental thing, literally dragging yourself up to train etc.

Not saying this is what we are seeing, only that I have some sympathy with athletes becoming drained over the course of a season.

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Add to that the experience of last season, top and in the race until a point, then imploded and fell off. After all this is exactly the same squad, main difference is Salah’s superhuman season (and that City aren’t around).

Pot, kettle, black, etc. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

It’s obvious why I said that, strange that I have to explain it… It was a comment on the part of your post talking about depth and injuries, and that you don’t see Arsenal dropping any points, and just thought that you would see what you mention even more if you were on the other side looking at Liverpool, that’s all I was saying.

And for the record, I agree with most other points you said. Wasn’t meant as a dig.

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Well we’re doing a great job ensuring it’s won by the least number of points. The aim shouldn’t be to win it by 1 point on the last day, that’s no good for anyone.

8 points we’ve thrown away now because we either can’t keep 11 men on the pitch, can’t come for a simple cross, can’t make/convert chances, can’t communicate in our box to leave a hopeless ball, can’t find the energy in latter stages to see out danger like closing down crosses.

Why not? Do you get bonuses for winning by a bigger margin?

It doesn’t matter if you win the title by one point or ten (or even on goal difference); all that matters is that you win.

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We lost one PL game this season. We are unbeaten away from home. We are in our first post Klopp season. We are top of the league by 8 points and possess a superior goal difference. We topped our CL group and we are at Wembley for a final next month.

I’m not sure you deserve this to be honest.

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If we were 16 points clear you’d still be moaning about something

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Isn’t that what we call ‘training’?

But Slot is player a more measured way, and there is less exertion than under Slot.

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I think this is a bit oversimplistic as we’re talking about elite level where a drop of 1-2% can have an impact.

Though I do think it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy and wish coaches and players didn’t talk about it as much. Same with injuries. Stay positive and see adversity as a challenge. From another sport, Andy Farrell is great at this

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Of course I wish Darwin had scored, Kels had punched that ball into Row Z, that we’d closed it out against Everton. We’d be 14 points ahead right now and booking an open-top coach.

But shit happens, we’re still the only team whose destiny is entirely within its own hands.

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Elite runners can do a marathon in about two hours. Ask them to do that every three to four days for months on end and you’d see how quickly that time drops.

Being a professional doesn’t mean they’re immune to basic physiology, just that they’re more prepared to deal with it than your average person. Most average people would soon feel fatigue if asked to play an hour of five aside every three days.

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I very much doubt training each day is the equivalent of playing a 3 hour match.
Surely at this stage of a season training, actual physical ball-work, should be down to a minimum?
The physio’s should know if training is having any impact on the players during an actual game.
I always thought we over-trained under Klopp, or it was over-physical in some way because we seemed to pick up a lot of unexpected injuries between games. I was hoping that had all changed under Slot.

I agree with this-

Just looked at expected goals for last night :see_no_evil:

I know it’s dubious but it feels somewhat more disappointing. I assume it’s because the two VAR decisions are removed from the stats but not the mind.

For me it is the oppositions XG that is disappointing as it is under 1 and we concede 2, just shows how poor/unlucky we are defending certain situations.

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