And that was just the tip of the iceberg
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yeah sent a few shivers down my spine
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wow that was a frosty reception
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Where’s @ubermick when you need him? Damn I miss that guy.
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Can you tell me which part of the system in the UK disadvantages people who are not white please.
I’m genuinely curious as I know of no laws or policies currently in-place that allow this.
I know of no laws or policies currently in place that allow recreational drug consumption.
But it still happens. A lot.
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You’d hardly claim that drug use was part of the system though. That’s the point I’m questioning.
Hence the question.
Although I do remember talking to a high level US army guy who was firmly of the opinion that frequent wars were good for removing the grunts in US society. Frightening concept but at the time the evidence of US actions was reasonably convincing.
As I just quoted “if you still don’t get it then you’re never going to get it” and I’m frankly wasting my time.
It’s very easy to say. I’ll go with that which can be asserted without evidence can equally be discarded without evidence. You either show which aspects of the current UK system (governmental) allows or actively encourages disadvantaging people who are not white or not. If you don’t fine but then your point is irrelevant.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller
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Some people still dispute the theory of evolution - never considering that just because Darwin was possibly wrong, does not mean that their religion is correct. Evidence and observation meant that in the western world at least Darwin won out.
As soon as I find the evidence that the philosophy of white privilege is based upon sound social theory then I will accept it. But to state that white privilege is the only or the predominant explanation for differences in group outcomes is, based on the empirical evidence, incorrect and irresponsible.
For instance how has white privilege held back the British Asian population? A group that by all standard measurements out perform the white population by a considerable margin. If it is that this group have outperformed, in spite of white privilege, then you could argue that their achievements are doubly remarkable.
The concern is that this philosophy increases divisions and causes more problems than it sought to solve. Trump and Brexit spring to mind.
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Evidence won’t matter to you, you’ll simply deflect, twist and move the goalposts. There are thousands and thousands of resources that will show much more coherently and convincingly than I can the inherent racism that still exists in British society so me sending you one or two won’t make any difference to your viewpoint.
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As you know mate, we are often aligned in our political views but you’re missing the point here. Something being illegal or unlawful does not mean that it doesn’t exist. That’s why we have prisons.
Just because something is not condoned does not mean that society has cast it out. Just because something does not personally touch upon us it does not mean that others are not affected. That we are incapable of empathy does not mean that others do not experience what we do not.
The post from @BigJon reminded me of my own position last summer. I had been made redundant from my previous role due to covid-19 and was looking for a new job. I wanted to remain local. I wrote to several firms in a speculative basis and received a couple of offers. Neither firms had advertised a vacancy and it did cross my mind as to whether I should refuse to accept without asking whether they had first sought candidates from recruitment agencies and/or interviewed other candidates, specifically including those of a minority ethnic background.
The two firms were/are overwhelmingly white (as is not uncommon in law firms in the area of the country in which I work). For the first time I felt uncomfortable that I was being offered a role I would not have been had I not been white. It’s a horrible feeling and at no previous time in my career have I felt that or even contemplated my potential privilege. I still wonder now whether I should have pushed that further but ultimately I am the breadwinner for my family so took the role without first determining whether they had considered more candidates from diverse backgrounds. Had they have done, I may not have got the position, but equally where I live there may not have been many (if any) such candidates anyway.
Unfortunately, principles can be expensive. Maybe next time, when everything isn’t so precarious, I’ll be able to afford them. 
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That’s certainly your opinion. Your claim is that (I’m paraphrasing) the system disadvantages people who aren’t white. Give me one example of this disadvantage in current UK law.
Guessing you can’t.
The system is not Brian the racist who won’t employ brown people in his building company. I don’t doubt for a second that Brian exists.
Deflecting twisting and moving the goalposts? No, they’re right here, where’s your evidence of systemic racism. You can go with the police if mascot’s claims are true but not entirely sure how that disadvantages a law abiding person. I’ll point out here that Granny was born into a family who had fuck all, got a job and worked damn hard and managed not to fall onto the wrong side of the law.
I understand your point perfectly. But you’re not working for the government, the system. That’s the issue.
You want examples of government policies that discriminate against people who aren’t white?
How about Windrush? A policy of forced removal based on skin colour that adopted a ‘deport first, ask questions later’ approach.
And, as been explained, the issue there is not the policy itself - which is so nakedly racist, it’s staggering - but that the systems and mechanisms by which policies like this are formulated are so white and privileged no-one even considered it to be a problem.
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Hey, is this you?
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With respect, that information you cite is over 15 years old - in some cases within the data even older -
Education information from 2015
From the ONS -
“The average employees from the Chinese and Indian ethnic groups have consistently earned more than the average White British employee since 2012.”
"households in the Indian ethnic group were the most likely to have a weekly income of £1,000 or more " 2021
What this and your data reveals is that this is a much more multi dimensional issue than just “White Privilege”
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