If Caicedo is a £50M player, then fair enough, Lavia is a £25-30M player. The market dictates the price though, much as I’d like to pay lower prices.
All deals are individual deals, I agree with that. But there is a sense in which every selling club is looking to see what other players are being sold for, so they get as much as they can.
Lavia, young, u21 and will be homegrown, and competition for his signature. Even apart from Liverpool and Arsenal, you would have to think that West Ham will have the Declan Rice money burning a hole in their pocket too. If Lavia goes for £25-30M I will be very surprised.
I would be very happy if we signed him for that sort of sum.
As for his quality, that’s in the eye of the beholder. I see an athlete, strong, fast, decent passing, tackling, and press resistant. As a youngster he has a lot more improvement to come, but if he came to Liverpool we have a great set up to help him fulfil his potential. He could be perfect in a deeper role in our midfield.
The money is the money. If the club has the dough, and he’s a player we want, bring it on.
I salute the kid for showing the professionalism to cover in that RWB position when they had no one else to play there, I still remember the trauma watching Masch get annihilated at RB to Salomon Kalou, it’s why you tend to keep players in their preferred positions…sadly gonna be a tremendous player for whichever club gets their hands on him. One of the best players to be scouted to this country from seemingly out of nowhere in the Prem era.
It’s not one season in isolation. He has been a stand out in youth football since he arrived at city at 16. At a club full of top young talent he was different. Within a couple of games he was playing in their U21 side and finished that season as the league’s PotY. Understanding how lacking in individual recognition players in his position usually are, it’s something that put a big “this kid is different” sign above his head
There is always questions about how well a talented prospect will adapt to senior football, but there is also a sense that when they are this well regarded you don’t need to see too many games of them thriving to be confident they’ve made the step up
Southampton can easily get 2-3 players to help them get back up in return for the 50m.
Makes me wonder if we have any in our youth setup to use as a makeweight. 40 plus XYZ for instance.
Southampton get a good highly rated prospect who they can sell for a good amount later (considering the games that he would play for them). And also can make some two astute transfers with the 40m.
The ball quite frankly is in their court despite Southampton getting relegated. The same goes for Chelsea and Arsenal. Southampton would do well to ask for players in a part exchange.
I don’t like the finances behind this deal. Nothing on the player. Our youth prospects that we are happy enough to sell aren’t in the same level as that of Chelsea who’ve got quite a huge number of academy prospects.
I don’t really get why people are getting het up over the fee. We’ve shown we won’t pay unreasonable sums for players and are prepared to walk away from a deal if we don’t believe it represents value. If we do end up signing this lad, for however much that ends up being, it’ll be an amount we believe is fair and that we’re willing to pay.
If we’ve got the money and it’s who Klopp wants then that’s fine by me. I just think we could do better with the money. I’d even say use some of the fee to overpay for Colwill as he is going to be a superstar imo.
We don’t know what our net spend will be this summer at this point, but it’s all valid to ask and discuss among ourselves over every aspect of a certain deal.
How much certain sums are reasonable or unreasonable is highly subjective.
The club paying what the club think is fair, well, yeah… that’s what they do most of the time. And nobody is immune to mistakes.
If we talk about Romeo Lavia, who just completed his first full senior season, it’s normal that most people will have many questions. And it shouldn’t be surprising if we’re also discussing the mentioned price (even if it’s not exactly what Southampton want, but close to it).
If we were signing Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic on ridiculous wages I’d understand complaints. But a 19yo with undoubted potential, I just don’t get people’s issue with the fee. Same people cry about FSG being too tight with cash, not supporting Jurgen etc.
Recruitment team have been incredible during Klopp’s tenure at getting value for money. The envy of every other club. Even with the rare flop like Keita, there was a clear rationale for the signing. Let’s just trust the process!
Not all are complaining, but we’re here also to discuss these deals and aspects of deals. That’s pretty fair, I think. Who doesn’t want to talk about it, doesn’t have to.
It’s not about just throwing more money and then expecting better and better results (at least not for me), but spending it the best we can, like always.
Our recruitment has been generally very good, but every new (potential) deal is a new topic to discuss.
I’m not distrusting the process or whatever that is. It’s a fans’ forum. The team will get it’s usual outstanding support on the pitch, at most places they go, in good portion on social media, etc.
Discussing our transfers here has zero influence on the team and their process.
Well we have only spent so far 35m (70 million has been pushed back to that 3rd party and I presume that we will be paying that 3rd party 75 million over say 5 years)
I still think we need a DM and CB (CB if we are going to a back 3) so we need that 70m in the kitty.
I would spend the lot on Caicedo tbh but give me 35m players for DM and CB and I’d be a happy man for the next 4 windows.
