Wow so if I got this right, before musk when twitter was considered “liberal” and they, Facebook & Google apparently was censoring /or not showing content that was considered " conservative" no one had any issues with it,
But now that musk has brought it and the boot is on the other metaphorical foot…people are now wanting one of the biggest social media platforms banned on here ?
Seriously the amount of contradictory views on here is almost comical if wasn’t real…we seem to be walking blindly into an Orwellian society, where we are actually doing the work for big brother by wanting the site mods to ban a popular social media outlet simply because some people allow their political view to be more important than someone else’s with an opposing view ?
I’m not on social media other than this website, but those who do post x/twitter or whatever posts either political/ funny/ football rumours and those ones about the wonderful nature threads etc should not be restricted from posting them just because the politburo of those offended by musk owning twitter offends them.
No one’s advocating for banning it because it’s “conservative”. The Daily Heil still gets posted on here (although it really should be banned for offences against journalism), as does the Torygraph.
People are advocating for banning it because it funnels money to a megalomaniac lunatic with very disturbing views for society.
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And specifically using this platform to promote this through disinformation and phishing.
I genuinely wonder if they will, because that would mean realising the losses, rather than leaving it as an unrealised loss. I wonder if the decision-makers (like the ones who extended him the loans to begin with) are just true believers in the myth of Musk the super-entrepreneur.
Well, I don’t know, but it’s a possibillity which was reported last week (that Musk will be unable to pay the loan and etc.) But I don’t count on it. But Musk seems hellbent on losing money on twitter, that is for sure…
Anyway, here is an example of something you cannot really find elsewhere. Real Information by actually knowledgable analysts sooner than elsewhere:
This is why Twitter is a must in regards to geopolitical events and particularly fast and deeper information on wars (mass media never ever goes deep, they
report one day, but not the next etc.), because you can find experts there who share freely their findings (and countless who are idiots and claim expertise, which is why you must filter or drown):
Example 1 ) https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1829263352146866580
But also thousands of videos of evidence of fighting (if you watch hundreds or more like I do, you get a fairly good picture if you combine that with the better analysis: https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1830327115008364979
In short, Twitter is unfortunately 100 percent indispensable, at least for me.
I would have no idea at all, about what is happening on the Ukrainian battlefield had it not been for twitter (well, I have a telegram account, but I dodn’t like to use it and it’s a hellish channel). And I say that as a person who reads a lot of newspapers.
Of course, that doesn’t mean that Twitter MUST be allowed on a football forum. It depends on how liberal you want to be in terms of non-football matters being discussed, of course. But it’s wrong to say that Twitter is useless. It is a MUCH worse place than it used to be, it is very difficult to filter and traverse post Musk; but if you are able and if you can cope with the fucking adds a random racism and idiots who proliferate comment sections, it can also still be a gold mine for information.
That is what I said above, though. It is up to what members and moderators are comfortable with and how liberal one wants to be as to what kind of topics can be covered in the non-football section
I agree with you there ! But honestly, if all topics (almost) can be discussed in the “Away-Section”, then Twitter is very good place for information. I follow maybe 50-60 professors of International relations, security politics, history and much more. I find highly educted experts willing to share there. I do not find this easily elsewhere in the same “low-bar” manner.
True, filtering is time consuming and, at times, tricky. And if you are a journalist, you have some responsibillity to corroborate sources, I would argue. I am not a journalist, I have no such responsibillity, but I loath misinformation, so I do try my best…
My apologies for the jump that occurs. At TAN we don’t actually embed tweets. We use iframe for a preview. The reason we don’t embed (and it jumps) is that I would have to pay twitter roughly $1000 a year. (Musk implemented that). I don’t believe there is any revenue generated from a preview.
Twitter won’t be going anywhere for the away from home section. It’s core for breaking news. It’s currently the only platform where you get an immediate on the ground insight. Be it a natural disaster, terrorist attack or war. Even news channels update twitter well before an article comes out.
Open to debate on other parts of the site though.
Ignoring Musk, and the away from home section. Would it make a big difference?
Apart from posting quick and general messages here, X is also used predominantly for football news, be it the latest club announcements, starting lineups on match days, short clips during games, from players, fans, goals, injuries etc. and all the international news and transfer stuff etc. I personally use it mainly for football and news and I would feel very limited if I couldn’t use it here anymore.
I would then simply no longer be able to pass on a lot of information here or only in a very limited and much more complicated way.
I’d support the ban of this platform. I’ve never liked it, but now it has been widely recognized as a danger for our democracies, because of all the disinformation going on, and people lapping it up without any context being offered. People like @Magnus make good use of it, but people like him are a minority, and I’m sure the platform makes it increasingly difficult for him to weed out actual news from disinformation.
Then there is the ‘fun’ of transfer rumours, but I’m sure that we can find other sources, rather than this odious platform.
And Musk has turned out to be a horrible person indeed, fuck him. People clicking on his platform enrich him, and empower him to further undermine democratic values.
All that being said, the main reason for me to ban it would indeed be that annoying lag. It does my head in.
I appreciate what you say, and really like your updates in the Ukraine thread, just as one example. But you said it yourself that you have increasing difficulty to weed out the good news from the bad one, and that the platform is devolving. Aren’t there good chances that it will further devolve?
So, aren’t there other sources for our forum? For instance, the Institute for the study of war you are frequently citing, and others? Is Twitter/X really unavoidable for TAN, and would a ban not make us a little bit more creative in finding other information sources?
