The Corona Pandemic

Your only as old as the woman :woman: you feel, my wife is over 10 years younger than me.

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Lucky bastard, mine was born in 1437.

It was fun when she could drive when I was 16 ahem…

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Some more detail on this.

Also, Novavax have submitted their data to the MHRA for approval as well.

They expect approval by the end of this month, J&J likely this week or next.

That would mean the UK has then approved 5 different vaccines (Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Janssen, and Novavax).

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In about 6 months the EU will be there too, the Dutch government 2 month’s after the EU. :rage:

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This is interesting. I’ve suspected this government to work towards that direction since the pandemics began.

Effectively, more deaths among the elderly means more money for them, and less expenses going forward.

In that sense, they’ve made by far the best job among Europe’s countries, and I believe that it was intentional.

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That is quite a chilling thought.

I must admit the policy of releasing infected patients from hospitals into care homes was at best careless, at its worse, sinister.

I’m thinking more of trying to save face by showing that the NHS could cope to be honest but in all honesty I really wouldn’t rule out anything with this current crop.

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Yes, I remember voicing my concern that the collateral damage (apologies) from the government’s approach would fall on the population most financially beneficial to the government’s purse, whether by accident or design.

Whatever the government did the over 65s were always going to be disproportionately affected as the most vulnerable to the virus, but the government’s response didn’t mitigate that, at best, and exacerbated it, at worst.

There was that infamous report about Cummings stating something pretty sinister about this in February or March of last year, wasn’t there?

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Just thought, we get a lot about vaccinating old people however I haven’t heard anything about at what age thiese vaccines can be used on children?
Can they be administered to toddlers?
Any info?

P.S I’m doing an internet thingy search at this moment.

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A study was started in the UK last month on vaccinating 6 year olds. There’s a link on here somewhere.

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I see that in the USA they are appoved for 18 and over and trials are taking place for/on children.
I presume they will get approval for 8 year olds, may be as low as 6, if all goes well.

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Yes, the vaccinations were not available to children because the testing last year was all on adults (unlikely anyone would give consent to allow their children to be involved in it). There is now testing on children either underway or planned to start soon, so presumably later this year we may see it become available to use in children?

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This?

To be honest, if the search criteria is Cummings saying something sinister, you might have to narrow it down.

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“Can we be certain that there is no recording of me saying this?”
“Yes Sir”
“Good. Let’s go with: ‘Highly defamatory fabrication’”

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Yes, that was the one. The ‘source’ appears to be paraphrasing the thrust of Cummings’ alleged strategy proposal, rather than directly quoting him, but that was the newspaper report I was thinking of. The government vehemently denied it on Cummings’ behalf and I don’t know whether there was any further commentary after that - I wouldn’t have been at all surprised had this been Cummings’ initial approach though (herd immunity) as that was talked about a lot at the time and it was only when modelling showed deaths would go towards half a million that this was seemingly abandoned as a strategy. The implication being that some deaths (disproportionately impacting the older population, of course) would be acceptable if herd immunity could be achieved (so no restrictions at all). Maybe the calculation changed when the likely death toll was revisited but it’s still an incredibly uncomfortable thing to have contemplated.

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@Noo_Noo

*Does not include the Netherlands for whom Our World In Data don’t appear to have the numbers for (they’re ahead of Wales, I think).

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To be fair, it has been going well, apart from me that is. But I don’t mind keeping my head down until that time. Knowing my luck though I will be part of an admin failure somewhere along the line

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Update as to 21 February now and Pfizer doses remain the majority of those given in the UK up to that date:

9.4 million Pfizer first doses
8.4 million AstraZeneca first doses
0.6 million second doses mostly Pfizer

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Small beer unless there are some Ian Brown fans or Warrington locals on here. They are still out there.

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shots fired kangaroo GIF by Outback Steakhouse

Did someone say vaccine nationalism? :thinking:

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