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Like the Conservative voters who elected him, you mean?

I have no idea (about UK politics). What I’m trying to say is that the Tories have four years & a healthy majority. It’s more likely that they will sacrifice Johnson rather than their majority (party rebellion, very unlikely) or their term (midterm election).

Once there’s someone else (however despicable or incompetent) Labor/Starmer/opposition has to start (attacking him/her) all over again.

May or Johnson aren’t any better than David Cameron. But the fact is that the same party is in power. Unless there’s an early election, the beating the Tories are taking is pointless. Not only people will forget, there’s time for recovery as well. What will matter is how hard Labor or Starmer or opposition can punch in last 1-2 years of the term.

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Yes. Silly me. The Conservative Party is a beacon of tolerance and progressive values.

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Liverpool was bouncing last night in a giant covid spreading pre-lockdown party according to Radio Merseyside.

Rightly we can criticise the government but I despair. The critical care beds here are suddenly almost maxed out now and they are having a party. I wonder if they would be partying if the virus was visible. Maybe we can arrange to get it sprayed bright red so everyone can see it in the air and on faces and surfaces . :thinking:

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Has any Labour leader NOT been a white man? :thinking: Has the Conservative party been the subject of an enquiry by the EHCR? :thinking:

Perhaps hold fire with the indignation?

1940: Never before have so many owed so much to so few.

2020: Never before have so many given less of a fuck about so many others.

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I think anyone competent and less corrupt replacing Johnson, and hopefully Cummings should be welcomed, rather than feared. If Starmer has to raise his game so be it.

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If the Tory party decided to return to its conservative values (rather than the monstrosity it has since morphed into) Rory Stewart would be an excellent choice.

One of the few that has morals, backbone and independent thought. Whilst I dont agree with his ideological position, one of a limited (very limited) number I respect.

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He’s on Across The Red Line on Radio 4 now. Well worth catching on BBC iPlayer.

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Hardly indignation, just stating a real problem for any darker skinned leader. You turned this into a Labour v Tories thing.

The difference is that the Labour Party is held to the fire for its pockets of intolerance, whereas the Conservative Party is given a free free ride despite having a massive problems with institutional racism.

Maybe that inquiry will start soon though?

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Yes, I like him too but his star waned during the leadership contest. Maybe in a few more years he’ll have some more gravitas to call on. Interesting guy though and I like his approach.

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You made it party political with your first comment about whether Conservative voters would vote for Rishi Sunak. The guy Conservative voters have elected as an MP.

Can’t really complain if Labour’s non-record on electing diverse leadership is then referenced.

Whatever. You’re looking for an argument and I can’t be bothered.

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Suggesting there are a lot of Conservative voters who wouldn’t vote Conservative if they had a non-White leader was, I suppose, not meant to be provocative?

One hour earlier, mate. One hour. :expressionless:

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Is pointing at the other team right in this context?

“Ignore our problems because they’re worse” doesn’t sound right to me.

C(H)unt would be the one to watch IMO. He would be the last person I’d want to see in the role but he’s playing a typically sly little game of positioning himself just a little bit away from Boris etc.

Suggesting there are a lot of Conservative voters who wouldn’t vote Conservative if they had a non-White leader was, I suppose, not meant to be provocative?
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It’s a statement of fact FFS. And if we were having a conversation about the labour leadership I could have made the same point about the pockets of casual racism that exist across swathes of the Labour heartlands. But we weren’t talking about the Labour Leadership, we were talking about the Conservative Leadership.

Racism is a thing. It drives peoples voting choices. But then you struggle to accept that racism had anything to do with Brexit despite it being transparently obvious it did.

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You might well have had said the same regarding having a woman leader, and yet, the tories have had two women leaders / Prime Ministers, not just one.

The Conservatives will get behind anyone they believe will win. If they felt a “bame” leader could lead them to electoral victory, then they would vote for them.

They just wouldn’t want them marrying their daughters (or sons). :thinking:

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I only made the comparison when the insinuation (from a Labour voter) was that the Conservative party wasn’t tolerant or progressive. Despite it being evidently more progressive and arguably more inclusive than the Labour Party.

I don’t deny that. But what you’re really saying is that there are voters, of all political persuasion, who wouldn’t vote for a party with a non-white leader.

But the flip side is that there are voters of all political persuasion who specifically would vote for a party with a non-white leader.

No, I’ve never denied that for some people prejudice played a part in how they voted in the EU referendum. I just don’t believe it was the decisive factor.

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